State v. Thacker

[Cite as State v. Thacker, 

.]



                    IN THE COURT OF APPEALS
                FIRST APPELLATE DISTRICT OF OHIO
                    HAMILTON COUNTY, OHIO


STATE OF OHIO,                                :   APPEAL NO.   C-240299
                                                  TRIAL NO.    B-2305996-A
         Plaintiff-Appellant,                 :

                                              :
   VS.                                                O P I N I O N.
                                              :

TONY THACKER,                                 :

      Defendant-Appellee.                     :



Criminal Appeal From: Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas

Judgment Appealed From Is: Affirmed

Date of Judgment Entry on Appeal: 12/13/2024




Melissa A. Powers, Hamilton County Prosecuting Attorney, and Norbert Wessels,
Assistant Prosecuting Attorney, for Plaintiff-Appellant,

Schuh & Goldberg LLP and Brian T. Goldberg, for Defendant-Appellee.
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CROUSE, Judge.

       {¶1}   Fourteen years ago, a teenage Tony Thacker was adjudicated delinquent

for engaging in conduct that, had he been an adult, would have constituted a

nonviolent drug felony. From that day forward, Ohio law imposed a legal “disability”

upon Thacker, making it a third-degree felony for him to possess a firearm. Then, in

2023, a nearly 30-year-old Thacker was charged with possessing a weapon while

under the disability created by his delinquency adjudication. Thacker contended that

the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects his right to keep

and bear arms, despite his juvenile delinquency adjudication. In other words, he

argued that Ohio’s weapons-under-a-disability statute was unconstitutional as applied

to him.

       {¶2}   Under the United States Supreme Court’s recent decisions in New York

State Rifle & Pistol Assn. v. Bruen, 

 (2022), and United States v. Rahimi,

, 

 (2024), Thacker is right—at least on the facts and

historical evidence before us in this case. Our nation does have a history and tradition

of disarming the dangerous, but nothing in that history resembles the State’s attempt

to deem Thacker a dangerous person for the remainder of his life, based solely upon a

nonviolent juvenile delinquency determination. We therefore affirm the trial court’s

judgment finding R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) unconstitutional as applied to Thacker and

dismissing those charges.

                                 I. BACKGROUND

       {¶3}   On April 16, 2010, 16-year-old Tony Thacker was adjudicated

delinquent for conduct which, had he been an adult, would have amounted to

complicity to drug trafficking in violation of R.C. 2925.03—a fifth-degree felony for an



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adult. Descriptions in Thacker’s brief and in the trial court’s order suggest that the

substance being trafficked was marijuana.

       {¶4}   More than 13 years later, a now 29-year-old Tony Thacker was arrested

and indicted on multiple counts—two of them for having a weapon while under a

disability in violation of R.C. 2923.13(A)(3). That provision states that “no person shall

knowingly acquire, have, carry, or use any firearm” if that person was previously

“adjudicated a delinquent child for the commission of an offense that, if committed by

an adult, would have been a felony offense involving the illegal possession, use, sale,

administration, distribution, or trafficking in any drug of abuse.” R.C. 2923.13(A)(3).

The State cited Thacker’s 2010 juvenile adjudication as the sole basis for this disability

and alleged that, as of the dates in the indictment, Thacker had not been relieved from

such disability by operation of law or legal process. Thacker does not contest any of

these facts for the purposes of appeal, and we accept the State’s allegations in its

indictment as true.

       {¶5}   Thacker moved to dismiss the weapons-under-a-disability charges,

arguing that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3), as applied to him, violated the Second and

Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, as well as Article I, Section

4 of the Ohio Constitution. After hearing arguments on the issue, the trial court

granted Thacker’s motion and dismissed the charges. In its order, the trial court

adopted the reasoning articulated by Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Jennifer

Branch in the similar case of State v. Booker, Hamilton C.P. No. B-2302415 (Dec. 19,

2023), incorporating that opinion by reference.

       {¶6}   The State then filed this timely appeal pursuant to R.C. 2945.67.




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                             II. STANDARD OF REVIEW

       {¶7}    In its sole assignment of error, the State contends that the trial court

“erred by finding R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) unconstitutional as applied and dismissing the

charges” against Thacker. Where, as here, a trial court dismisses an indictment or

charges in an indictment for purely legal reasons, we review its decision de novo. See

State v. Troisi, 

; State v. King, 

, ¶ 14 (8th Dist.).

       {¶8}    As the State’s assignment of error makes clear, Thacker challenged the

constitutionality of R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) not on its face, but only “as applied” to him. An

as-applied challenger like Thacker “alleges that the application of the statute in the

particular context in which he has acted . . . would be unconstitutional.” (Cleaned up.)

Wymsylo v. Bartec, Inc., 

. Thus, we limit our consideration to

whether the Second Amendment permitted the State to disarm Thacker on the dates

listed in the indictment and under the particulars of his case. Because Thacker’s

challenge is limited, so, too, is the reach of our holding. A ruling in Thacker’s favor will

only prevent the challenged statute’s “future application in a similar context,” but will

not “render it utterly inoperative.” See 

                          III. THE SECOND AMENDMENT

                     A. Our Task: The Bruen/Rahimi Test

       {¶9}    The Second Amendment protects “the right of the people to keep and

bear arms.” U.S. Const., amend. II. In Dist. of Columbia v. Heller, 

(2008), the United States Supreme Court held that this provision enshrined “an

individual right” to possess and use firearms, at least those in common use, and at

least for self-defense in the home. That right was incorporated against the states by

the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. See McDonald v. City of Chicago, 

 (2010).

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        {¶10} “Like most rights, though, the right secured by the Second Amendment

is not unlimited.” (Cleaned up.) Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1897. From its inception, our

nation has regulated the possession, use, and carrying of firearms. It is this “historical

tradition,” the Supreme Court has said, “that delimits the outer bounds of the right to

keep and bear arms.” Bruen, 597 U.S. at 19. Bruen thus set forth a history-and-

tradition test, later refined and clarified in Rahimi, directing courts confronted with

Second Amendment challenges to ask two questions:

        {¶11} First, we must ask whether “the Second Amendment’s plain text covers

an individual’s conduct.” Id. at 17. If it does, then “the Constitution presumptively

protects that conduct,” and we proceed to the next step. Id.

        {¶12} Second, the court must assess whether the State has rebutted this

presumption by adducing historical evidence that its “regulation is consistent with this

Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.” Id. To identify such a “historical

tradition,” the State must point to a pattern of analogous regulations in effect at the

time of the Country’s founding.1 Despite its backward-looking character, this test is

“not meant to suggest a law trapped in amber”—the State need not produce a “‘dead

ringer’ or ‘historical twin’” to justify its modern regulatory effort. Rahimi at 1897-1898,



1 The Court has noted, in its recent opinions, that there exists an “ongoing scholarly debate on

whether courts should primarily rely on the prevailing understanding of an individual right when
the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868 when defining its scope” as opposed to the more
traditional originalist window surrounding the ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791. Bruen, 597
U.S. at 37, citing Akhil Reed Amar, The Bill of Rights: Creation and Reconstruction xiv, 223, 243
(1998), and Kurt Lash, Re-Speaking the Bill of Rights: A New Doctrine of Incorporation, 97
Ind.L.J. 1439, 1441 (2002); accord Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1898, fn. 1. However, the Supreme Court
has “generally assumed that the scope of the protection applicable to the Federal Government and
States is pegged to the public understanding of the right when the Bill of Rights was adopted in
1791.” 

; accord id. at 36 (“[B]ecause post-Civil War discussions of the right to keep and
bear arms ‘took place 75 years after the ratification of the Second Amendment, they do not provide
as much insight into its original meaning as earlier sources.’”), quoting Heller, 

. And
because the outcome of this case would not be substantially altered by shifting to a Reconstruction
focus (given the relatively late vintage of both juvenile courts and felon-in-possession laws), we
focus our historical analysis on founding-era historical sources.

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quoting 

. Instead, it is the State’s burden to offer evidence that its “new

law is ‘relevantly similar’ to laws that our tradition is understood to permit.” 

quoting 

.

       {¶13} In assessing whether the historical regulations the State offers are

“relevantly similar” to a challenged law, a court should be guided by the “principles

that underpin our regulatory tradition,” which it finds by asking “[w]hy and how” a

historical regulation “burden[ed] the right” to keep and bear arms. Rahimi, 144 S.Ct.

at 1898, citing Bruen, 597 U.S. at 26-31. The court can then determine whether the

State’s challenged regulation “impos[es] similar restrictions” on the Second

Amendment right as did its historical forbears, and whether those restrictions were

imposed “for similar reasons.” Id. In drawing these comparisons, however, we must

take care “to apply faithfully the balance struck by the founding generation to modern

circumstances,” without engaging in the sort of “means-end scrutiny” that Bruen

rejected. 

.

                   B. Recent Second Amendment Decisions

       {¶14} The law that Thacker challenged and that the State seeks to uphold, as

applied in this case, disarms an adult individual because he was adjudicated

delinquent as a juvenile for conduct that amounted to complicity to trafficking

marijuana. See R.C. 2923.13(A)(3). That disarmament is presumptively permanent

and can be terminated only with judicial approval. See R.C. 2923.14. To our

knowledge, no other court has resolved the constitutionality of such a disarmament

post-Bruen. We nevertheless look to several recent federal and state decisions for

guidance on how to apply the Bruen framework to laws like the one at issue here, and

how to frame the State’s historical evidence.



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                      1. United States Supreme Court Decisions

       {¶15} Prior to 2024, the United States Supreme Court had addressed two

types of laws in the modern era. In Heller and McDonald, the Court had held that laws

effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns in the home violated the Second

Amendment. See Heller, 

; McDonald, 

. Heller also struck

down a law requiring that firearms be kept inoperable while not in use. 

.

Then in Bruen, the Court held unconstitutional a New York law that prohibited the

public carrying of firearms without a license—which New York would issue “only when

an applicant demonstrate[d] a special need for self-defense.” 

.

       {¶16} The gun laws at issue in these cases were universal in their application—

they limited the rights of all (or virtually all) individuals equally. Though sometimes

couched as licensure requirements, the laws in Heller and McDonald limited every

person’s right to possess a handgun in the home. And the public-carry licensure

scheme in Bruen, which treated one group (the unlicensed) differently from another

(the licensed), had the effect of “broadly restrict[ing] arms use by the public generally,”

subject to a limited exception. Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1901, discussing Bruen.

       {¶17} But many of our firearms laws—including R.C. 2923.13(A)(3)—do not

affect “the public generally,” but only some subset of that public. Such category-

specific regulations, which we shall refer to as “categorical” bans or statutes, can

operate in different ways. Some categorical bans may require a judge specifically to

find that a regulated party should be disarmed, while others may specify some category

of persons who may not own guns, without an ex ante judicial determination. In

Heller, the Court included dicta reassuring courts that many such categorical

disarmament laws would remain enforceable, and stressed that nothing in its opinion

“should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of

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firearms by felons and the mentally ill.” 

. Justice Alito echoed these dicta

for a plurality in McDonald. 

 (plurality opinion). Justice Kavanaugh

did likewise in his Bruen concurrence, which was signed onto by the Chief Justice.

Bruen, 597 U.S. at 80-81 (Kavanaugh, J., concurring).

       {¶18} In United States v. Rahimi, the Court addressed its first categorical ban,

upholding a federal statute that “bar[red] an individual from possessing a firearm”

while subject to a domestic-violence restraining order that “include[d] a finding that

he pose[d] ‘a credible threat to the physical safety’ of a protected person.” Rahimi at

1898, quoting 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(8). To reach this conclusion, the Court applied the

clarified Bruen framework we have outlined above.

       {¶19} Concededly, nothing quite like 922(g)(8) existed at the founding. See

Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1901. The Court was thus forced to search for analogies at a greater

level of generality. It noted that, while “English law had disarmed not only brigands

and highwaymen but also political opponents and disfavored religious groups”

(emphasis added), by 1791 “state constitutions and the Second Amendment had

largely eliminated governmental authority to disarm political opponents” in this

country. Id. at 1899. What “persisted,” however, were “regulations targeting

individuals who physically threatened others.” Id. In particular, “two distinct legal

regimes . . . addressed firearms violence”: the surety laws and the going-armed laws.

Id. at 1899-1901.

       {¶20} Surety laws were “[w]ell entrenched in the common law” and allowed a

complainant, who feared that a particular individual would do them harm, to ask a

judge or justice of the peace to require the threatening individual to give a “surety,” or

bond, before the dangerous individual could go about with a weapon. Id. at 1900. The

surety laws were not criminal in nature, their prohibitions could generally last up to

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six months at a stretch, and they often permitted an exception for self-defense. Id.

Surety laws further required that the complainant proffer evidence showing that they

had “reasonable cause to fear” the individual to be disarmed, and offered that

individual an opportunity to respond. Id. at 1900, quoting Mass.Rev.Stat., Ch. 134,

Sections 1 and 16.

       {¶21} The “going armed” laws, by contrast, offered an ex post remedy for gun

violence. These “laws prohibited ‘riding or going armed, with dangerous or unusual

weapons, [to] terrify[] the good people of the land.’” (Alterations in original.) Id. at

1901, quoting 4 William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England *149 (J.B.

Lippincott Co. 1893) (1765).2 Because such conduct posed a grave danger to public

order, the “going armed” laws “punished [such] acts with ‘forfeiture of the arms . . .

and imprisonment.’” Id., quoting 4 Blackstone at *149.

       {¶22} “Taken together,” the Court held, these two historical analogues

“confirm[ed] what common sense suggests: When an individual poses a clear threat of

physical violence to another, the threatening individual may be disarmed.” Rahimi,

144 S.Ct. at 1901. And these laws did so, the court reasoned, for a purpose and by a

means adequately analogous to 922(g)(8). In reaching this conclusion, the Court

emphasized three salient similarities between 922(g)(8) and these historical laws.

       {¶23} First, 922(g)(8) and the surety laws both required an individual

determination of dangerousness. Id. at 1901-1902. However, the Court cautioned that

such individualized determinations may not be necessary for a disarmament statute

to be valid, declining to address whether “the Second Amendment prohibits the




2 Consistent with the United States Supreme Court, we use the standardized star-pagination when

citing to Blackstone’s Commentaries, which persists through most editions, rather than the
pagination of the cited edition.

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enactment of laws banning the possession of guns by categories of persons thought by

a legislature to present a special danger of misuse.” Id. at 1901.

       {¶24} Second, both 922(g)(8) and the surety laws were limited in duration.

The surety requirements lapsed of their own force, and 922(g)(8)’s prohibitions

applied only while the duration of the underlying domestic-violence restraining order

persisted. Id. at 1902.

       {¶25} Third, 922(g)(8) temporarily disarmed those subject to domestic-

violence restraining orders, but did not punish them until they violated that

disarmament. Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1902. This, the Court said, was less severe than the

possibility of imprisonment under the going-armed laws, which did not involve an

order to disarm prior to conviction. Id.

       {¶26} Despite these tailoring considerations, the Court’s opinion in Rahimi

also approvingly referenced Heller’s dicta, reiterating that at least some categorical

firearms prohibitions, “like those on the possession of firearms by ‘felons and the

mentally ill,’ are ‘presumptively lawful.’” Id. at 1902, quoting Heller, 

.

                            2. Federal Appellate Decisions

       {¶27} In the wake of Bruen and Rahimi, the federal circuit courts of appeals

have had frequent occasion to consider the constitutionality of the other “categorical

bans” imposed by federal law under 18 U.S.C. 922(g). Among its most contentious

provisions is 922(g)(1)—the federal felon-in-possession statute—about which courts

have reached sharply divergent conclusions.

       {¶28} Several circuits, including the Fourth, Seventh, Tenth, and Eleventh,

have upheld the constitutionality of 922(g)(1) without seriously considering its

historical pedigree—on the ground either that Bruen did not expressly abrogate their

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pre-2022 precedents upholding it, or that Heller’s dicta approving “longstanding

prohibitions on the possession of firearms by” those convicted of felonies or

experiencing mental illness controlled. See, e.g., United States v. Gay, 

(7th Cir. 2024) (upholding application of 922(g)(1) primarily based on Heller dicta,

without foreclosing the possibility of as-applied challenges); United States v. Dubois,

 (11th Cir. 2024); Vincent v. Garland, 

 (10th Cir. 2023),

vacated, __ U.S. __, 

 (2024);3 United States v. Canada, 

, at *3-4 (4th Cir. Dec. 6, 2024) (holding, without substantive analysis,

that 922(g)(1) has a plainly legitimate sweep that would include individuals “convicted

of a drive-by-shooting, carjacking, armed bank robbery, or even assassinating the

President”).

        {¶29} The Eighth Circuit, however, applied the Bruen framework to

922(g)(1)’s categorical ban and nevertheless upheld it, stating that “[g]iven the[]

assurances by the Supreme Court, and the history that supports them, . . . there is no

need for felony-by-felony litigation regarding the constitutionality of § 922(g)(1).”

United States v. Jackson, 

, 1125 (8th Cir. 2024).4 Historically, the Eighth

Circuit said, legislatures had “prohibited possession by categories of persons based on

a conclusion that the category as a whole presented an unacceptable risk of danger if

armed,” and did so with “no requirement for an individualized determination of

dangerousness as to each person in a class of prohibited persons.” Id. at 1128. In

support of this conclusion, the court cited eighteenth-century colonial laws disarming



3 Vincent was vacated by the United States Supreme Court, along with a slew of other 922(g)(1)

cases with pending petitions for certiorari, “for further consideration in light of” Rahimi. Vincent
v. Garland, __ U.S. __, 

 (2024), vacating 

 (10th Cir. 2023).
4 The original decision in Jackson, like Vincent, was vacated and remanded post-Rahimi. Jackson

v. United States, __ U.S. __, 

 (2024), vacating 

 (8th Cir. 2023). The
opinion cited above was the decision on remand.

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“Native Americans,” “[r]eligious minorities, such as Catholics,” and those “who

refused to declare an oath of loyalty” to the revolutionary cause. Id. at 1126; see id. at

1126-1127 (collecting statutes and law review articles).

       {¶30} In United States v. Diaz, 

 (5th Cir. 2024), the Fifth Circuit

followed a different path to a similar result. First, that court rejected the government’s

argument that Heller’s or Rahimi’s dicta regarding felon disarmament controlled, as

those cases neither concerned 922(g)(1), nor contained any “historical analysis of laws

forbidding felons from possessing firearms, as required by Bruen.” Id. at 466. The

court further rejected the government’s proposed rule that any felony conviction could

justify disarmament, reasoning that “not all felons today would have been considered

felons at the founding,” and that such a rule would enable legislatures to undermine

the Second Amendment by redefining the definition of a “felony.” Id. at 469.

Ultimately, however, the Diaz court upheld the application of 922(g)(1) to the

defendant before it, because he had been convicted of at least one founding-era felony

(theft), then punishable by death or total estate forfeiture. Id. at 468-469. Such harsh

penalties, the court opined, evinced a regulatory purpose akin to that behind 922(g)(1),

and they accomplished that purpose by “punishing offenders” in a manner equally

permanent to the disarmament imposed by 922(g)(1). Id. at 469. For the Fifth Circuit,

these broad analogies sufficed to sustain the government’s application of 922(g)(1) to

individuals previously convicted of theft. Id. at 472.

       {¶31} The Third and Sixth Circuits, engaging in their own historical analyses,

have recognized the necessity of allowing as-applied challenges to 922(g)(1) under

Bruen. An en banc opinion from the Third Circuit represented an early consideration

of the felon-in-possession ban post-Bruen. Range v. Atty. Gen. of the United States,

 (3d Cir. 2023) (en banc), vacated sub nom. Garland v. Range, __ U.S.

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__, 

 (2024).5 In Range, the Third Circuit held that 922(g)(1) was

unconstitutional as applied to an individual whose predicate offense was making “a

false statement to obtain food stamps in violation of Pennsylvania law.” Id. at 98.

Range held that individuals convicted of felony crimes were nevertheless entitled to

the protection of the Second Amendment, and that the government had failed to show

a relevantly similar historical analogue permanently disarming nondangerous felons.

Id. at 101-105.

         {¶32} The Sixth Circuit recently provided a detailed framework for as-applied

challenges to 922(g)(1) in United States v. Williams, 

 (6th Cir. 2024).

While the Williams court rejected both the defendant’s facial and as-applied

challenges to the law, it did so after considering extensive historical evidence and

articulating a robust scheme for judging as-applied challenges in this context. The

Williams court began, like the Eighth Circuit in Jackson, by citing a long English and

American tradition of legislatively disarming categories of individuals deemed

dangerous from before, during, and after the founding era. Id. at 650-657.

         {¶33} The Sixth Circuit disagreed with the Eighth Circuit’s suggestion that

such general laws were devoid of any individualization requirement. “Each time” a

legislature enacted such a prohibition, the Sixth Circuit noted, a disarmed individual

could regain their right to bear arms by “demonstrate[ing] that their particular

possession of a weapon posed no danger to peace.” Id. at 657. The Sixth Circuit’s

historical survey ultimately led it to conclude “that legislatures may disarm groups of



5 Like  Vincent and Jackson, Range was vacated by the Supreme Court and remanded for
reconsideration in light of Rahimi. Garland v. Range, __ U.S. __, 

 (2024). As of this
opinion’s publication, it is currently pending before the Third Circuit. See United States v. Brinson,

, at *3 (3d Cir. Sep. 12, 2024) (noting that appellant’s “ability to rely
on [Range] is an open question until Range is reconsidered by our Court”). Though vacated, Range
is included here for its relevant reasoning.

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people, like felons, whom the legislature believes to be dangerous—so long as each

member of that disarmed group has an opportunity to make an individualized showing

that he himself is not actually dangerous.” Id. at 663.

       {¶34} The Sixth Circuit also rejected the principle, accepted by the Eighth,

“that courts should simply defer to Congress” on who is and is not dangerous. Id. at

660. Such an approach would undermine the historically individualized character of

disarmament and “allow legislatures to define away a fundamental right.” Id. Thus,

the Sixth Circuit held, when a defendant brings an as-applied constitutional challenge

to 922(g)(1), courts should “focus on each individual’s specific characteristics” to

determine “whether [that] individual has met his burden to demonstrate that he is not

dangerous, and thus falls outside of § 922(g)(1)’s constitutionally permissible scope.”

Id. at 657.

       {¶35} Williams is further informative for its discussion of whether and how a

“presumption” of dangerousness might attach to certain criminal conduct. When it

came to convictions for “crimes against the person,” the court said, the presumption

of danger may well be irrebuttable. See Williams, 113 F.4th at 658. Such crimes were

punishable with death at the founding as a means of “‘prevent[ing] existing criminals

from repeating their crimes,’” and “eliminat[ing] those too dangerous to have a place

in society before the development of prisons.” Id., quoting Stuart Banner, The Death

Penalty: An American History 15 (2009).

       {¶36} A second class of crimes—those which “pose a significant threat of

danger” by putting individuals’ safety at risk—also justified a presumption of

dangerousness, though one presumably weaker than for crimes against the person. Id.

at 659. The Sixth Circuit assumed this class would include “drug trafficking.” Id. And



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a third class of crimes “like mail fraud . . . or making false statements,” likely would

not justify a presumption in most cases. Id.

                                  3. Ohio Decisions

       {¶37} Ohio’s disarming statute, R.C. 2923.13(A), has seen fewer constitutional

decisions. The provision under which Thacker was charged, R.C. 2923.13.(A)(3) (drug

felonies) and the provision disarming those convicted of (or adjudicated delinquent

for) violent felonies, R.C. 2923.13(A)(2), are most relevant here. Most such cases have

not received full merits determinations, and the laws have been upheld under “plain

error” standards. See, e.g., State v. Johnson, 

 (8th Dist.) (trial court

did not commit plain error by failing to dismiss charges against defendant under

R.C. 2923.13(A)(2)-(3) sua sponte); State v. Jenkins, 

 (5th Dist.)

(same for R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) only); see also, e.g., State v. Ware, 

(1st Dist.) (vacating and remanding a challenge to R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) for

reconsideration in light of Rahimi); State v. Payne, 

 (10th Dist.)

(holding that trial counsel was not clearly ineffective for failing to challenge R.C.

2923.13 under Bruen, given “the absence of any binding legal authority declaring these

statutes unconstitutional”).

       {¶38} Three Ohio decisions have passed on these statutes de novo: State v.

Windland, 

 (5th Dist.), appeal not accepted, 

; King,

 (8th Dist.); and State v. Skaggs, 

 (5th Dist.). The

first two cases upheld the constitutionality of R.C. 2923.13(A)(2), which disarms those

found guilty of or adjudicated delinquent for violent felonies. Windland at ¶ 23 and

26; King at ¶ 33 and 36. The third upheld the constitutionality of (A)(3), the drug-

felony provision at issue in Thacker’s case, as applied to an individual with an adult

conviction. 

.

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       {¶39} The defendant in Windland had been previously convicted as an adult

of aggravated robbery with a firearm specification. 

. Disarming him,

the Fifth District held, was within our “historical tradition of keeping guns from

individuals viewed as dangerous, including felons.” Id. at ¶ 21. It reached this

determination largely by relying on the weight of then-current district court authority

upholding the disarming of felons because they could be considered dangerous. Id. at

¶ 19. With respect to the defendant’s as-applied constitutional challenge, the

Windland court noted that an individual guilty of a prior aggravated robbery with a

firearm and of felonious assault was a presumptively dangerous individual. Id. at ¶ 23.

       {¶40} The Eighth District, in King, considered the same statute applied to a

defendant who had a prior juvenile delinquency adjudication (rather than an adult

conviction) for a violent felony. 

. King was styled as a facial, rather than

an as-applied challenge to R.C. 2923.13(A)(2). 

 at ¶ 13 and fn. 1. The Eighth District,

like the Fifth, upheld the statute’s constitutionality, and it based that decision on dual

determinations: (1) that violent felons were dangerous individuals who could be

disarmed under Rahimi, id. at ¶ 27, and (2) that the Second Amendment draws no

distinction between adults and juveniles, id. at ¶ 28-29. The Eighth District said that

the Supreme Court had not specified that its holding in Rahimi regarding dangerous

persons did not apply to juveniles or in juvenile courts. Id. It also determined that the

purposes of juvenile justice in Ohio, as well as the fact that juvenile cases are not tried

before juries, were irrelevant to the Second Amendment issue. Id. at ¶ 30-32.

       {¶41} Finally, in Skaggs, a divided panel of the Fifth District voted 2-1 to

affirm a weapons-under-a-disability conviction based on a prior conviction for felony

heroin possession. Skaggs, 

, at ¶ 3 and 6-7 (5th Dist.). Adopting

wholesale the Sixth Circuit’s historical overview in Williams, the Skaggs majority

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concluded that such a disarmament fell within our nation’s history of disarming

dangerous individuals.6 

 at ¶ 20 and 22. And it reinforced its conclusion by citing

numerous federal district court decisions—some upholding convictions under 18

U.S.C. 922(g)(1), and others under 922(g)(3) (disarming an individual “who is an

unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance”). Id. at ¶ 24-25. Ultimately,

the Skaggs majority deferred to the legislature’s determination that those in

possession of drugs fell “in the ‘bad risk’ category with alcoholics and ‘mental

incompetents,’” and accepted that any disarmament under R.C. 2923.13(A) was

temporary, because Ohio permits relief from a disability under R.C. 2923.14. Id. at

¶ 26 and 28. Judge King vigorously dissented on almost every point. See id. at ¶ 33-72

(King., J., dissenting).

        C. A Framework for Addressing Categorical Firearms Bans

        {¶42} From these sources and the historical evidence they contain, we draw

several conclusions relevant to assessing the constitutionality of a categorical ban on

firearms ownership.

        {¶43} First, and most obviously, where the State can point to a specific

founding-era tradition of legislation analogous to the law it defends, its law will

withstand Second Amendment scrutiny under Bruen. However, other constitutional

provisions—including the Equal Protection Clause—may still prevent the modern

reenactment of many founding-era laws. See Williams, 113 F.4th at 656 (“Classifying



6 The Skaggs court also rejected the defendant’s Second Amendment challenge on the ground that

“history and tradition . . . support the legislature’s power to restrict the Second Amendment right
of drug users, alcoholics, or the mentally ill to carry firearms.” Skaggs, 

, at ¶ 31
(5th Dist.). But there are differences between the facts of Skaggs and the case at bar, and the State
has not argued in this court that Thacker’s conviction falls within such a tradition of disarming
those in altered mental states. Because we rely on “the principle of party presentation,” we express
no opinion on the applicability or existence of such a tradition to the indictment in this case. See
Bruen, 597 U.S. at 26, fn. 6, quoting United States v. Sineneng-Smith, 

, 375 (2020).

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people as dangerous simply because of their race or religion was wrong from the

beginning and unconstitutional from 1868.”).

       {¶44} Second, our nation has a “history and tradition” of disarming

individuals who pose a particular danger with a firearm. This could include persons

who pose an immediate threat to the physical safety of others, or those whose

possession of a firearm would be likely to terrify the public. See Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at

1896 (“Since the founding, our Nation’s firearm laws have included provisions

preventing individuals who threaten physical harm to others from misusing

firearms.”); 

; Jackson, 110 F.4th at 1128.

       {¶45} Third, a legislature may make categorical judgments about who is too

dangerous to possess a firearm. Indeed, all the federal and Ohio appellate courts to

survey this question have found as much. 

 (“our nation’s history and

tradition demonstrate that Congress may disarm individuals they believe are

dangerous”); 

 (“Legislatures historically prohibited possession by

categories of persons based on a conclusion that the category as a whole presented an

unacceptable risk of danger if armed.”); Kanter v. Barr, 

 (7th Cir.

2019) (Barrett, J., dissenting) (“History is consistent with common sense: it

demonstrates that legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from

possessing guns. But that power extends only to people who are dangerous.”); Rahimi,

144 S.Ct. at 1902.

       {¶46} Nevertheless, we must acknowledge that from the founding, colonial

and state governments disarmed broad groups—often defined in ways that would be

wildly unconstitutional today. In 1776, the Continental Congress recommended that

the colonial legislatures pass laws that would “cause all persons to be disarmed within

their respective colonies, who are notoriously disaffected to the cause of America, or

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who have not associated, and shall refuse to associate, to defend, by arms, these United

Colonies, against the hostile attempts of the British fleets and armies.” 4 Journals of

the Continental Congress, 1774-1789, at 205 (Worthington Chauncey Ford Ed. 1906).7

Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey took them up on their suggestion. See

Act of May 7, 1776, in 5 Acts & Resolves, Public and Private, of the Province of the

Massachusetts Bay 479 (1886);8 An Ordinance Respecting the Arms of Non

Associators, 9 Penn.Stat. at Large 11, ch. 729 (July 19, 1776);9 Joseph G.S. Greenlee,

The Historical Justification for Prohibiting Dangerous Persons from Possessing

Arms, 20 Wyo.L.Rev. 249, 264-265 (2020).10 Connecticut had beaten them to the

punch, however, enacting a law in December 1775 to disarm those who were not

“friendly to this and the other United Colonies.” An Act for restraining and punishing

Persons who are inimical to the Liberties of this and the Rest of the United Colonies,

&c., in 15 The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut 192 (Charles J. Hoadly Ed.,

1890).11 After independence, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania passed laws

disarming any who refused to take an oath to the new government. See id. at 265; An

Act Obliging the Male White Inhabitants of this State to Give Assurances of Allegiance

to the Same &c., 9 Penn. Stat. at Large 110, Ch. 756, Section III (June 13, 1777);12

Robert H. Churchill, Gun Regulation, the Police Power, and the Right to Keep Arms

in Early America: The Legal Context of the Second Amendment, 25 L. & Hist.Rev.

139, 159-160 (2007).13


7 Available at https://www.loc.gov/resource/llscdam.lljc004/?st=pdf&pdfPage=205.
8 Available at https://archives.lib.state.ma.us/items/f38df282-fe69-4a6f-b33f-838780de6e2d.
9 Available  at https://www.palrb.gov/Preservation/Statutes-at-Large/View-Document/17001799
/1776/0/act/0729.pdf.
10 Available at https://scholarship.law.uwyo.edu/wlr/vol20/iss2/7/.
11 Available at https://archive.org/details/publicrecordsofc015conn/page/192/mode/2up.
12 Available at https://www.palrb.gov/Preservation/Statutes-at-Large/View-Document/17001799

/1777/0/act/0756.pdf.
13 Available at https://www.jstor.org/stable/27641432.



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       {¶47} Catholic “papists” were likewise liable to be disarmed in Pennsylvania

and Virginia, based on bigoted fears regarding their alleged dual loyalty and risk of

rebellion. Williams, 113 F.4th at 653. And Native Americans were often prevented

from getting guns in the colonies for similar reasons. Id. at 652-653; Jackson, 110

F.4th at 1126, citing Michael A. Bellesiles, Gun Laws in Early America: The

Regulation of Firearms Ownership, 1607–1794, 16 L. & Hist.Rev. 567, 578-579

(1998); Kanter, 

 (Barrett, J., dissenting).

       {¶48} As the Sixth Circuit stressed, all these laws represented bigoted

categorical, class-wide determinations that the disarmed groups would pose a threat

to the public safety if permitted to bear arms. 

; see also 

 (Barrett, J., dissenting).

       {¶49} Fourth, such legislative determinations regarding who is too dangerous

to possess a weapon are subject to careful judicial review. Although the legislature may

make some broad determinations in this regard, the courts may not accept those

determinations blindly, as “complete deference to legislative line-drawing would allow

legislatures to define away a fundamental right.” 

. If the legislature

had the final word on who was and was not “dangerous,” it could effectively disarm

the bulk of a state’s adult population by, for example, defining the class of “dangerous”

persons to include anyone who has received a speeding ticket. But the “very premise

of constitutional rights is that they don’t spring into being at the legislature’s grace.”

Id. at 661; accord Heller, 

 (noting that “the enshrinement of

constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table” for the

legislature); Range, 69 F.4th at 102-103 (rejecting “extreme deference” to legislatures

because it would give them “unreviewable power to manipulate the Second

Amendment by choosing a label” (Cleaned up.)); Diaz, 116 F.4th at 466 (rejecting

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deference to legislative definition of Second Amendment’s scope). However

unpleasant the task, to enforce the Bill of Rights, courts must police whether a

particular legislative disarmament has or has not limited itself to truly “dangerous”

individuals.

       {¶50} Fifth, this critical review extends to felony-based bans, even those

seemingly covered by Heller’s and Rahimi’s dicta. Given Bruen’s strong emphasis on

the need for judicial oversight, rejection of legislative deference, and placement of the

burden squarely on the government’s shoulders, these dicta, and the correlate Bruen

concurrences, simply cannot sustain the strong reading given them by courts like the

Eleventh Circuit and the Eighth and Fifth Districts in our state. See, e.g., Dubois, 94

F.4th at 1291-1293; King, 

, at ¶ 25-27 (8th Dist.); Windland,

 (5th Dist.); Skaggs 

, at ¶ 16 and 19 (5th Dist.).

Rather, we believe, similar to the Williams court, that the dicta in Heller and Rahimi

more naturally suggest that longstanding bans on the possession of firearms by those

convicted of felonies and those who are suffering from serious mental illness are likely

to fall within our historical tradition of disarming those reasonably considered

dangerous with a gun. See Williams, 113 F.4th at 647-648; see also id. at 657

(“Because, as we discuss below, most applications of § 922(g)(1) are constitutional, the

provision is not susceptible to a facial challenge.”). Such laws were not before the

Supreme Court in Heller, Bruen, or Rahimi—and to read these asides as binding would

undercut the reasoning actually necessary to resolve those cases. See id. at 645; 

; 

 (King, J., dissenting) (noting that Rahimi could not have

suggested that legislatively-defined categorical disarmaments fell outside Bruen’s

history-and-tradition test).



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       {¶51} Sixth, to be analogous to founding-era laws, a dangerousness-based

firearms prohibition may last roughly as long as the danger it seeks to prevent. During

the founding era, when individuals were determined to be dangerous for some

transitory reason, the period of their disarmament or disability was generally limited.

A justice of the peace’s determination that an individual must post a weapons-based

suretyship bond lapsed after six months. Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1900. And the “going-

armed” laws punished with a term of imprisonment and required the forfeiture of the

particular arms used—but did not impose an indefinite term of disarmament. Range,

69 F.4th at 105. While he obviously could not keep or bear any arms in his cell, upon

his release from jail the convicted affrayer would have been free immediately to

purchase another musket or flintlock, even if his prior weapon had been forfeited. Id.

       {¶52} Thus, in Rahimi, the Supreme Court emphasized not only that

922(g)(8) prohibited gun ownership by certain dangerous individuals, but that it did

so only while their domestic-violence restraining orders continued. Rahimi at 1902.

Such orders would, after a period, terminate of their own force (in Rahimi, two years

after his release). Id.; Tex.Fam.Code 85.025(b-2), (c)(3). To continue beyond that

date, a court would have needed to once again find Rahimi dangerous. This and similar

statutory schemes mirror founding-era surety laws by ensuring a close fit between the

period in which an individual poses a danger and the period for which that individual

will be disarmed.

       {¶53} Seventh, and finally, where the basis for deeming an individual

dangerous is presumed to continue indefinitely, so may the disarmament—so long as

the disarmed individual is given the opportunity to lift their disability in the event of

changed circumstances or inaccurate classification. As the Williams court pointed out,

founding-era legislatures frequently utilized presumptions of dangerousness that

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lasted indefinitely, subject to individualized relief from the disability. Williams, 113

F.4th at 653-654. But, when a founding-era disarmament was presumptively

permanent, it was because the reason for that disarmament could be presumed to

continue indefinitely. Some founding-era states disarmed Catholics, largely on the

basis of bigoted fears regarding Catholic dual-loyalty. And the young states, urged on

by the Continental Congress, disarmed “disaffected” persons whose sympathies lay

with England, rather than America during the war. The reasons behind these

disabilities (i.e., Catholicism and English loyalty) were likely to persist, unless the

disarmed individuals changed their tunes. Why would founding-era legislatures

believe these sentiments would change, absent individual proof that they had? Thus,

if we accept these founding-era assumptions about who was “dangerous,” then we

must acknowledge that the “danger” these groups posed was likely to persist

indefinitely absent evidence to the contrary, and therefore so could their disarmament.

       {¶54} Building upon these premises, we provide the following framework for

assessing the constitutionality of categorical, legislative disarmament statutes: In

determining whether a particular disarming statute violates the Second Amendment,

a court must first look to determine whether “the Second Amendment’s plain text

covers an individual’s conduct.” Bruen, 597 U.S. at 17. If it does, then “the Constitution

presumptively protects that conduct.” Id. To rebut that presumption the State must

demonstrate that its restriction falls within our country’s history and tradition of

firearms regulations. That history and tradition includes a longstanding practice—

dating back to before and during the founding era—of legislatures disarming those

they determine to be dangerous, at least for a time. However, as Rahimi and Williams

illustrate, disarmaments were not used with abandon; they were focused on the danger

at hand and tailored to prevent that danger. Thus, the constitutionality of a categorical,

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class-wide disarmament that is predicated upon the “dangerousness” of the class will

generally depend upon (1) whether the class of persons disarmed can reasonably be

presumed dangerous with a firearm, and (2) whether the duration of the disarmament

is realistically tailored to the danger persons in that class pose.

       {¶55} Passing this test will likely be easy where, as in Rahimi, the challenged

law presupposes that a court has already determined a particular individual poses a

threat to others’ safety, and where that individual’s disarmament lasts roughly as long

as the continued danger they pose. But where the determinations of dangerousness

are less individualized, or where the duration of disarmament goes beyond the

reasonable presumption of danger, the State will need to rely upon historical analogy

to justify its variances.

       {¶56} And we hasten to reiterate, in accord with Bruen, that the State need not

rely upon this dangerousness framework to justify every regulation. If, in a particular

case, the State can point to a tradition of firearms regulations that are specifically and

relevantly similar to its present-day law, that law will likely satisfy the Second

Amendment. Indeed, historical tradition may justify disarmament of certain classes of

persons without any need to rely upon broad analogies to the limitations of suretyship

laws or the rationale behind loyalist disarmament. But where the State cannot cite a

more precise regulatory tradition in which it operates, the rubric outlined above

provides a Second Amendment backstop, rooted in our nation’s history and tradition,

and drawn from the rationales expressed in Bruen, Rahimi, and Williams.

                                   IV. THIS CASE

       {¶57} We turn now to apply this framework to Thacker’s case and to R.C.

2923.13(A)(3), as applied to him.



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       {¶58} This case involves neither a convicted felon, like Williams, nor an

individual subject to a domestic-violence restraining order, like Rahimi. Rather, this

case involves a very specific question: whether the State may disarm (1) an adult

individual (2) based upon a prior juvenile delinquency adjudication, (3) for conduct

which, had he been an adult, would have constituted felony complicity to trafficking

in marijuana (4) for life, subject to Ohio’s disability-removal procedures.

       {¶59} First, we hold that the statute burdens conduct protected by the Second

Amendment. This statute, R.C. 2923.13, prohibits an individual subject to one of the

listed disabilities from owning any firearm at all. As the State conceded in its brief, the

right to possess some sort of firearm plainly falls “within the confines of Second

Amendment protection.”

       {¶60} We next turn to prong two: whether R.C. 2923.13(A)(3), as applied here,

falls within our history and tradition of firearms regulations. The State offers several

justifications for the application of R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) in this case, the majority of

which boil down to three lines of argument. First, it says, our history and tradition of

firearms regulation has always permitted disarming juveniles. Second, the State

argues, like the Eighth Circuit, that the language of Heller and an unbroken history of

regulation demonstrate that the State may disarm an individual who has been

convicted of a felony. Within this line of argument, the State also contends that,

because juvenile courts did not exist in 1791 and juveniles over seven could be tried as

adults at that time, we should analogize modern juvenile delinquency determinations

to founding-era felony convictions. Third and finally, the State argues at several points

that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) represents a valid legislative judgment that juveniles

adjudicated delinquent for drug offenses pose a danger to the community, and thus

can be disarmed. We will address all three in turn.

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                          A. The “Juvenile” Rationale

       {¶61} We begin with the State’s easiest argument to dispatch. The State

spends nearly five pages of its brief offering historical evidence that, since the

founding, individuals “under the age of majority were considered untrustworthy with

dangerous weapons and their ‘Second Amendment’ rights could be abrogated on that

basis alone.” We express no opinion on the accuracy of these historical

representations, because they are irrelevant in this case. Even assuming that the State

could categorically and without limitation disarm those beneath the age of majority,

that is not what the State has done here.

       {¶62} While Thacker was a minor at the time of his 2010 delinquency

adjudication, he is not a minor anymore. In this case, we must resolve whether the

State could limit Thacker’s right to bear arms on the dates listed in the indictment:

September 19 and October 20, 2023. On those dates, Thacker was 29 years old. A 29-

year-old was not a minor at the founding or today, and the State has produced no

evidence that our country has a history or tradition of disarming individuals because

they are 29 years old.

                          B. The “Felony” Rationale

       {¶63} The State’s next argument has two parts: (a) that it may disarm any

person who has been convicted of a felony, and (b) that, for Second Amendment

purposes, juvenile delinquency adjudications are no different from criminal

convictions.

       {¶64} As the sharply divided state and federal cases illustrate, the question of

whether a state may categorically disarm all felons or merely those determined to be

dangerous is an open one. And although Rahimi reiterated Heller’s dicta that felon-

in-possession bans are “‘presumptively lawful,’” Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1894, quoting

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Heller, 

, courts across the country have struggled to understand the

force and scope of this apparent concession. Compare, e.g., Range, 69 F.4th at 103-

104 (3d Cir.) (en banc) (suggesting that, despite Heller dicta, the federal felon-in-

possession ban did not represent a founding-era tradition), and Diaz, 116 F.4th at 466

(5th Cir.) (holding Heller’s and Rahimi’s dicta were not binding), with Williams, 113

F.4th at 663 (6th Cir.) (holding that, because many felons will also be dangerous, our

“nation’s historical tradition confirms Heller’s assumption that felon-in-possession

laws are ‘presumptively lawful[,]’” subject to as-applied challenges), with Jackson, 110

F.4th at 1125 (8th Cir.) (relying upon the “assurances by the Supreme Court” to

conclude “that there is no need for felony-by-felony litigation regarding the

constitutionality of § 922(g)(1)”), and Dubois, 94 F.4th at 1293 (11th Cir.) (holding

that, because it did not displace Heller’s assurances, “Bruen could not have clearly

abrogated [the Eleventh Circuit’s] precedent upholding § 922(g)(1)”).

        {¶65} The State has offered minimal historical evidence to support its claim

that a blanket prohibition on all felons possessing firearms comports with our nation’s

history and tradition of firearms legislation. It cannot provide a single founding-era

law permitting the disarmament of felons qua felons. This may not be surprising—

both the academy and the bench have struggled to offer an obvious historical pedigree

for categorical felon-in-possession bans. See, e.g., Carlton F.W. Larson, Four

Exceptions in Search of a Theory: District of Columbia v. Heller and Judicial Ipse

Dixit, 

, 1374 (2009)14 (“so far as I can determine, no colonial or

state law in eighteenth-century America formally restricted the ability of felons to own

firearms”); Royce de R. Barondes, The Odious Intellectual Company of Authority



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Restricting Second Amendment Rights to the “Virtuous,” 25 Tex.Rev.L. & Politics 245,

299 (2021)15 (“Our brief review of the Founding-Era restrictions on criminals’ firearms

possession, post sentence, has revealed restrictions that are not analogous to the

contemporary firearms bans imposed on persons with prior felony convictions.”); see

also Range, 69 F.4th at 112-113 (Porter, J., concurring) (“the Supreme Court will have

to square its history-driven test with its concurrent view that felon gun restrictions are

presumptively lawful”); Kanter, 

 (Barrett, J., dissenting) (“The best

historical support for a legislative power to permanently dispossess all felons would

be founding-era laws explicitly imposing—or explicitly authorizing the legislature to

impose—such a ban. But at least thus far, scholars have not been able to identify any

such laws.”). And history shows that, where disarmament did follow wrongdoing in

the founding era, the disarmed could often have their rights restored. Compare

Greenlee, 20 Wyo.L.Rev. at 269 (noting that “prohibited persons in the founding era—

including armed insurrectionists—regained their rights once they no longer posed a

violent threat”).

        {¶66} Lacking direct historical evidence to support its categorical rule, the

State argues a more inferential proposition: because many felonies—including some

nonviolent offenses—were punished by death in 1791, the government must have been

able to inflict the lesser punishment of disarmament for such crimes. However, as the

Williams court noted, those convicted of felonies generally “don’t lose other rights

guaranteed in the Bill of Rights even though an offender who committed the same act

in 1790 would have faced capital punishment.” Williams, 113 F.4th at 658. Further,

the overlap between capital punishment and felony conviction in early America is a


15 Available    at    https://www.trolp.org/blog/2021/9/16/the-odious-intellectual-company-of-
authority-restricting-second-amendment-rights-to-the-virtuous.

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disputed issue. See 

 (Barrett, J., dissenting). And, even if founding-

era felons were always executed, it is not clear why the State’s greater-includes-the-

lesser argument should apply to all felonies today, and not merely those with

founding-era analogues.

         {¶67} In any event, Bruen directs us to look for relevantly similar regulations

in our nation’s history and tradition, not broad theoretical inferences from the nature

of felony punishment. It is difficult to understand how “the Government’s attempt to

disarm” Thacker is “‘relevantly similar’ to earlier statutes allowing for execution.” See

.

         {¶68} Fortunately, we need not resolve the fate of all felon-in-possession bans

in this case. Even assuming that the State is correct, and that it may constitutionally

prohibit each and every person convicted of a felony from possessing a firearm, that

would not mean it could disarm Tony Thacker. Thacker had not been convicted of a

felony at the time of the events described in his indictment. He had only been

adjudicated delinquent for conduct that would have been a felony, had he been an

adult.

         {¶69} This distinction matters. The juvenile justice system is not a mere

outgrowth of the adult criminal justice system; juvenile justice is “‘rooted in social

welfare philosophy rather than in the corpus juris.’” In re C.S., 

, ¶ 66,

quoting Kent v. United States, 

 (1966). Delinquency “‘has not been

declared a crime in Ohio, and the Ohio juvenile act is neither criminal nor penal in its

nature.’” Id. at ¶ 67, quoting State v. Joiner, 

, 202, 20 Ohio N.P. (N.S.)

313, 319 (Geauga C.P. 1917).

         {¶70} In the 1960’s and 70’s, courts and legislatures did begin to impose quasi-

criminal procedural safeguards on these civil juvenile proceedings. See, e.g., In re

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Gault, 

 (1967) (right to counsel); In re Winship, 

 (1970) (right

to proof beyond a reasonable doubt). But the rights provided to an accused juvenile

did not come from the same source as their criminal procedure kin. Many, such as the

right to counsel, “flow[ed] to the juvenile through the Due Process Clause of the

Fourteenth Amendment, not the Sixth Amendment,” which is the source of the right

for adult criminal defendants. In re C.S. at ¶ 79, quoting In re Gault at 41.

       {¶71} Notably absent from juvenile proceedings is another Sixth Amendment

guarantee: the right to trial by jury. See State v. Hand, 

, citing

McKeiver v. Pennsylvania, 

 (1971) (plurality opinion). Based upon the

fundamental differences in the objectives of juvenile adjudication and adult criminal

process, state and federal courts have held that juries are unnecessary in juvenile

delinquency proceedings. See In re Agler, 

 (1969) (“we can

perceive no benefit worthy of destroying a juvenile’s traditional entitlement to special

status which might accrue to an alleged delinquent from a jury trial”); 

 (plurality opinion).

       {¶72} Again, the State argues that a categorical, felon-disarmament rule

existed at the time of the founding. But if such a rule existed, it came with the inherent

proviso that, for the founding generation, felony adjudication was utterly inseparable

from the notion of trial by jury. “No idea was more central to our Bill of Rights than

the idea of the jury.” Akhil Reed Amar, Foreword, Sixth Amendment First Principles,

, 681 (1996).16 Juries were and are “the democratic branch of the

judiciary power”—deemed by leading anti-federalists, whose agitations birthed the Bill

of Rights, to be “more necessary than representatives in the legislature” in securing



16 Available at https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/5353.



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liberty. “A Farmer” in 1 Debates on the Federal Judiciary: A Documentary History

34, 34 (Bruce A. Ragsdale Ed., Fed. Judicial Ctr. 2013).17 Thomas Jefferson referred to

jury trials as “trials by the people themselves.” Letter from Thomas Jefferson to David

Humphreys (Mar. 18, 1789), Founders Online, Natl. Archives.18 Indeed, Jefferson had

cited restrictions on the jury-trial right as one of the colonists’ grievances against the

crown which had fired independence. See Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

(objecting that the king “subject[ed] us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts . . . depriving us in

many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury”). And Jefferson was not alone in

considering juries central to the American Republican project; the right to a criminal

jury was the “only right secured in all state constitutions penned between 1776 and

1787.” Amar, 84 Yale L.J. at 681; accord Duncan v. Louisiana, 

(1968). The framers of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights must have felt

similarly, as they gave the right to a jury trial in criminal cases double protection. See

U.S. Const., art. III, § 2; U.S. Const., amend. VI.

        {¶73} “The guarantees of jury trial in the Federal and State Constitutions

reflect a profound judgment about the way in which law should be enforced and justice

administered. A right to jury trial is granted to criminal defendants in order to prevent

oppression by the Government.” 

. The founders valued the institution

of the jury in part because it offered a democratic override—one that Madison and

Jefferson had hoped would serve “as a ‘guardian’ of freedom, ‘and impenetrable

bulwark’ of liberty.” Akhil Reed Amar, The Words That Made Us: America’s


17 Available   at    https://www.fjc.gov/content/debates-federal-judiciary-documentary-history-
volume-i-1787%E2%80%931875.
18 https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-14-02-0422 (originally published in 14

The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, 8 October 1788–26 March 1789, at 676-679 (Julian P. Boyd.Ed.,
1958)).

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Constitutional Conversation, 1760-1840, at 450 (2021). The jury, then as now,

provided “democratic authorization” to state-sanctioned punishment by acting as “an

additional democratic check on the back end of the criminal process, in which a group

of citizens decides that a particular defendant deserves punishment under the general

law that those citizens’ representatives enacted.” Daniel Epps & William Ortman, The

Informed Jury, 75 Vand.L.Rev. 823, 872 (2023).19

        {¶74} A felony conviction, at the founding, meant a jury trial. And this

coincidence was no mere accident of history; it was fundamental to how the founders

conceived of their American project. Thus, if those who ratified the Second

Amendment in 1791 believed they could disarm anyone found to have committed a

felony, they certainly assumed that a finding of guilt would be made by a jury. The

State bases much of its argument for a per-se-felony-disarmament rule on the fact that

founding-era felonious conduct could subject the defendant to execution or “civil

death.” But no state in 1791 believed it could execute a defendant—whether he was

seven, 17, or 70—without first according him a jury trial. Thus, without the availability

of the jury safeguard, juvenile adjudications are just not “relevantly similar” to

founding-era convictions for felony crimes. Even if we assume, as the State suggests,

that the historical record showed a tradition that would support universal felon

disarmament, that tradition would not reach jury-less juvenile delinquency

adjudications.

        {¶75} Further, the Ohio Supreme Court has clearly held that a juvenile

delinquency adjudication cannot be used as a surrogate for an adult conviction. In

State v. Hand, the court considered whether a juvenile adjudication could count as a



19 Available at https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/vlr/vol75/iss3/3/.



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criminal conviction for the purpose of sentence enhancement. The court held that the

Due Process Clause prohibited treating juvenile adjudications as if they constituted

adult convictions. Hand, 

. To do so was “inconsistent with

Ohio’s system for juveniles, which is predicated on the fact that children are not as

culpable for their acts as adults and should be rehabilitated rather than punished.” 

Further, while prior convictions can be used as sentence enhancements “because the

prior process involved the right to a jury trial,” juveniles “are not afforded the right to

a jury trial,” and a juvenile adjudication is therefore “not a conviction of a crime and

should not be treated as one.” 

       {¶76} Subsequent cases from the Ohio Supreme Court, which permitted the

use of juvenile adjudications for the purpose of R.C. 2923.13 under the Due Process

Clause, do not change Hand’s dispositive character with respect to the State’s per-se-

felon-disarmament-for-juveniles       theory.     For example,     in   State v.   Carnes,

, the Ohio Supreme Court was careful to clarify that the weapons-

under-a-disability statute “does not deem the juvenile adjudication to be an adult

conviction.” Id. at ¶ 19. And State v. Buttery, 

, permitted the use of a

juvenile adjudication only to the extent that it “is not treated as equivalent to a

conviction and its use is not based on its reliability.” Id. at ¶ 19.

       {¶77} Finally, the State protests that, at the founding, juveniles were not

afforded the same constitutional protections as adults, and such protections therefore

cannot be required by the Second Amendment. But, if the State claims that it can

disarm Thacker simply because it can disarm a convicted felon, it cannot then argue,

under that very same per se rule, that less than founding-era felony procedures will

do. Further, as the State’s own brief points out, “children beyond the age of seven were

subjected to arrest, trial, and punishment like adult offenders” (emphasis added), if

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they were to be tried at all. Thus, when children at the founding were convicted of a

felony, that conviction came from a jury.

       {¶78} For all these reasons, even if we assume the State’s premise that the

founders believed they could disarm each and every felon, the State still cannot prevail.

The State’s argument that we may simply substitute juvenile adjudications for

founding-era felony convictions runs afoul of both founding-era history and Ohio

Supreme Court precedent. Therefore, R.C. 2923.13(A)(3), as applied to Thacker,

cannot be sustained on the State’s per se felon-disarmament rationale.

                           C. The “Danger” Rationale

       {¶79} Just because individuals adjudicated delinquent do not fall within any

tradition of per se felon disarmament, however, does not mean that they cannot be

disarmed. As many cases note, and as we have discussed above, our nation has a long

history of disarming classes of individuals deemed by the legislature to be dangerous.

Both parties in this case concede or assume that, under at least some circumstances,

dangerous individuals may be disarmed. And the United States Supreme Court

endorsed a similar view in Rahimi, holding that when “an individual poses a clear

threat of physical violence to another, the threatening individual may be disarmed.”

Rahimi, 144 S.Ct. at 1901; accord Kanter, 

 (Barrett, J., dissenting)

(noting that historical evidence “support[s] the proposition that the state can take the

right to bear arms away from a category of people that it deems dangerous”).

       {¶80} The State contends that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) is just such a danger-

disarmament law. It argues that the legislature is entitled to deference in its

determinations of who is and is not dangerous, and that the legislature has permissibly

deemed those who have engaged in the felonious drug conduct described in R.C.

2923.13(A)(3) to be dangerous, regardless of whether that conduct was engaged in by

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a juvenile or an adult. As explained above, we assess these arguments by asking (1)

whether the class of persons disarmed can reasonably be presumed dangerous with a

firearm, and (2) whether the duration of the disarmament is realistically tailored to

the danger persons in that class pose.

                        1. Determination of Dangerousness

       {¶81} To disarm persons whose firearm possession poses a danger to the

community, the state must first determine how to separate such dangerous individuals

from the nondangerous. This might occur, as was the case in the suretyship laws and

in Rahimi, through case-by-case and person-by-person adjudications, which would

yield individualized findings as to whether the individual to be disarmed posed a

danger to others. However, as noted above, we also have a historical tradition of

legislative dangerousness determinations, which disarmed individuals based on some

legislatively determined proxy for a dangerousness determination.

       {¶82} The State contends that the adjudications listed in R.C. 2923.13(A)(3)

are such a proxy for dangerousness, and that we should defer to the legislature’s

determination on this issue. But, as emphasized in Heller and Bruen, legislative

deference in this area must be limited. The State cannot legislate its way around the

Second Amendment.

       {¶83} To determine whether R.C. 2923.13(A)(3)’s classification, as applied to

Thacker, could constitute an adequate proxy for dangerousness, we would need to

answer two difficult questions: (1) whether complicity to marijuana trafficking is the

sort of conduct that could justify a presumption of danger, and (2) whether the juvenile

adjudication here was an adequate vehicle from which to draw conclusions about the

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       {¶84} While courts regularly link drug sales and danger, it is not clear that

marijuana trafficking involves the kind of danger with which the Second Amendment

is concerned. See United States v. Stone, 

 (6th Cir. 2010)

(noting that “drug trafficking . . . poses a danger to the community,” while “drug

dealers do not necessarily pose [an] immediate risk of serious violence” (Emphasis

added.)). But see Williams, 113 F.4th at 659 (accepting in dicta and without significant

examination the dangerousness of drug trafficking).

       {¶85} Nor is it clear how much an adjudication of juvenile status can tell us

about the danger he poses as an adult. Even if adult drug traffickers may be

categorically presumed to be dangerous, can juveniles adjudicated delinquent for their

complicity to trafficking be presumed dangerous as adults? The State urges that the

Ohio Supreme Court has already answered this question by approving the use of

delinquency adjudications as a basis for a disability in State v. Carnes,

. In Carnes, the court held that R.C. 2923.13(A) embodies “a policy

decision made by the legislature that allowing weapons in the hands of individuals

with certain prior juvenile adjudications poses an increased risk to public safety, as

does allowing weapons in the hands of those with other disabling conditions such as

chronic alcoholism or drug dependence.” 

 (discussing R.C.

2923.13(A)(2)).

       {¶86} But Carnes involved not R.C. 2923.13(A)(3), the drug-felony provision

at issue in this case, but (A)(2), which covers juveniles adjudicated delinquent for

violent felony conduct. This violent-felony disability offers a far stronger and more

direct justification for deeming someone “dangerous” than in the case of drug felonies.

Violent conduct inherently shows a willingness to do harm to others, while drug

trafficking, at most, shows a recklessness in that regard. Further, Carnes reached its

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conclusion after “emphasiz[ing] that,” in the procedural-due-process context, “it is not

our role to second-guess the General Assembly’s policy choices.” 

. But,

as we have discussed at length, the United States Supreme Court has said the Second

Amendment requires just that sort of judicial second-guessing: “The enshrinement of

constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” Heller, 

. While such “judicial deference to legislative interest balancing is

understandable—and, elsewhere, appropriate—it is not deference that the

Constitution demands here.” Bruen, 597 U.S. at 26.

       {¶87} The Eighth District’s decision in State v. King is distinguishable for

similar reasons. Although the Eighth District upheld a juvenile-delinquency disability

under Bruen, it likewise addressed a juvenile adjudication for a violent felony under

(A)(2), rather than the more ambiguous drug-felony disability imposed by (A)(3).

King, 

, at ¶ 18 (8th Dist.). King also confronted a facial rather than

an as-applied challenge, which would have held (A)(2) unconstitutional for all juvenile

adjudications—even with respect to a 17-year-old who willfully used a firearm to harm

or attempt to harm another. See id. at ¶ 18-19. Our determination, by contrast, need

only address drug-trafficking adjudications. And finally, King rejected any argument

regarding juvenile status as not relating to “the history and tradition of firearms

regulation” in our country. Id. at ¶ 32. But, surely, the “rehabilitative nature of juvenile

offenses,” id., necessarily relates to the reasonableness of a determination that juvenile

offenders are presumptively dangerous—and thus to whether such a disarming statute

fits within our history and tradition of disarming dangerous individuals.

       {¶88} Whether a juvenile delinquency adjudication for complicity to

marijuana trafficking may serve as a basis for disarming an adult poses a complex

question, and one that is a proper subject of judicial scrutiny under Bruen.

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Fortunately, we need not resolve it in this case. As we will explain below, even if

Thacker could have been presumed dangerous for some period following his

delinquency determination, that period may not be presumptively indefinite.

                            2. Duration of Disarmament

       {¶89} Even assuming that Thacker could be presumed dangerous and

disarmed following his juvenile delinquency adjudication, the duration of that

disarmament must be tailored to the duration of the danger he is alleged to pose.

Disarmament of dangerous individuals at the founding was generally not permanent.

As the Court noted in Rahimi, the bond requirement imposed by suretyship laws

expired after a fixed period—effectively a period of presumptive, continued

dangerousness—subject to further determinations by the justices of the peace. Rahimi,

144 S.Ct. at 1900. The going-armed laws did not disarm after the convicted person was

discharged from jail. See 4 Blackstone, Commentaries, at *149 (listing the

punishments for “going armed with dangerous or unusual weapons” as “forfeiture” of

the weapons carried and “imprisonment during the king’s pleasure,” but not

disarmament). And even the broad, categorical determinations to disarm loyalists,

Catholics, or Native Americans could frequently be lifted, if the disarmed individuals

showed themselves to be loyal by swearing an oath. See Williams, 113 F.4th at 657.

       {¶90} Each of these laws can be viewed as introducing a legal presumption of

dangerousness. In the suretyship laws, that presumption was based upon a finding of

actual danger at the time of the initial determination, coupled with a presumption that

the danger would continue for some period thereafter. This presumption was not

permanent, however, as the danger was presumed to lapse at some point absent a

showing to the contrary. And when states passed laws disarming broad groups feared

dangerous to the state, they effectively created an initial presumption that those within

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the group posed a danger. The states then allowed individuals within the group to

rebut that presumption in an individualized manner—either because they had never

posed a danger, or because they had ceased to pose one. 

 (“[S]everal

historical examples authorized the official doing the disarming, usually the local

justice of the peace, to make the dangerousness determination. Often, he was guided

by some benchmarks, either a loyalty oath, the attestations of others, or some other

statutory criteria.”). The rule, so far as one can be devised, was that a disarmament

based upon a presumptively temporary danger had to lapse of its own force, while a

disarmament based on characteristics or risks presumed to be permanent could

continue in perpetuity, subject to an individualized showing that the danger no longer

existed.

       {¶91} The Williams court applied this rationale to uphold 922(g)(1) as

imposing a lifelong presumption that individuals convicted of crimes punishable by at

least one year in prison were dangerous, subject to administrative relief and as-applied

Second Amendment challenges. 

. The Williams court reasoned

that felony crimes at the founding—at least those against the person—were considered

a marker of one’s permanent character. Id. at 658. “Rehabilitation” was not a primary

focus of the 18th century criminal law, which allowed most crimes against the person

to be punished with death on the rationale that such criminals could never safely

become part of society. Id., citing Banner, The Death Penalty, at 13 and 15.

       {¶92} It remains unclear why this court should accept founding-era

penological theory, except to the extent that theory was applied to or through

disarming regulations rather than through capital punishment. But even if we did

accept the anti-rehabilitative assumptions those in 1791 had regarding convicted

felons, they would not control here. Thacker’s disability was based on an Ohio juvenile

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delinquency adjudication. Such a proceeding was unknown to the common law of 1791,

and Ohio law expressly disavows any presumption that a juvenile delinquent cannot

be rehabilitated.

       {¶93} Rather, Ohio’s juvenile justice system is predicated on the belief that

juveniles can and generally will reform. Our General Assembly has declared that the

“overriding purposes” of juvenile adjudications “are to provide for the care, protection,

and mental and physical development of children subject to this chapter, protect the

public interest and safety, hold the offender accountable for the offender’s actions,

restore the victim, and rehabilitate the offender.” R.C. 2152.01(A). This emphasis on

“care,” “development,” “restor[ation],” and “rehabilitat[ion]” contrasts sharply with

the dim view our founders had of the prospects of those convicted of dangerous

felonies. Indeed, it contrasts with the “overriding purposes of felony sentencing” in

Ohio today, which include “punish[ing] the offender,” and “protect[ing] the public

from future crime by the offender and others.” R.C. 2929.11(A); see also Hand,

.

       {¶94} Ohio law presumes that, when it comes to juveniles, rehabilitation and

restoration will be the norm, not the secondary objective. Our juvenile-justice system

was “designed to advance rehabilitation over punishment and to shield juveniles from

the stigma of their juvenile delinquency.” In re D.R., 

. And the

Ohio Supreme Court’s holdings in Carnes and Buttery do not undermine this

principle. Those cases emphasized that they addressed only the narrow questions of

whether the Due Process Clause prohibited using a delinquency adjudication as the

basis for a weapons disability or sex-offender-registration requirement. Carnes,

; Buttery, 

, at ¶ 1, 32. They did not consider

the substantive dimensions of those characterizations or the duration of the

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presumption they imposed, because the court viewed such considerations as for the

legislature alone. 

; Buttery at ¶ 32. And, most obviously, neither opinion

addressed the Second Amendment or considered the analogic relevance of the

rehabilitative presumption under Bruen’s history-and-tradition analysis. See 

 (declining to reach Second Amendment issue).

       {¶95} Because this is an as-applied challenge, we do not decide that a juvenile

delinquency adjudication may never be probative of whether an individual poses a

danger to the community. But what we do hold is that the Second Amendment

prohibits Ohio’s General Assembly from imposing a lifelong presumption of

dangerousness upon an individual based solely upon a juvenile delinquency

adjudication for conduct that is not inherently violent, in order to restrict his ability to

engage in otherwise-protected Second Amendment conduct. As written and as applied

to Thacker, R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) imposes just such a lifetime presumption. And it

imposes that lifetime presumption in spite of a system of juvenile justice predicated

upon the assumption that those it adjudicates delinquent will be rehabilitated.

       {¶96} Even if the State could impose a disability upon Thacker for some time

following his juvenile drug adjudication, it may not do so for life. The State has offered

no examples of a presumptively permanent disarmament law at the founding that

applied to individuals whom the state expressly presumed would cease to be

dangerous. Rather, the examples the State offers in its brief disarmed those the State

had no reason to believe would cease to be dangerous in the future. Catholics were

presumed to remain Catholic, and Loyalists would presumably still be loyal to their

mother country. These attachments could change, but the state did not presume that

they would. It thus fell to the disarmed individual to show the status quo had shifted.



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       {¶97} The State seeks to avoid the permanence of R.C. 2923.13’s disarmament

by pointing out that an individual may request that a court remove their disability

under R.C. 2923.14. That statute permits individuals to regain their rights by

demonstrating to the court of common pleas that they have completed their sentences

and have “led a law-abiding life since discharge or release, and appear[] likely to

continue to do so.” R.C. 2923.14(D)(1)(a) and (D)(2). This, the State contends, renders

Thacker’s disarmament temporary—to be lifted as soon as the defendant proves

himself sufficiently law-abiding. The Eighth District expressed a similar sentiment in

King, 

, at ¶ 32 (8th Dist.) (“R.C. 2923.13(A)(2) even fits squarely

within the ‘temporary’ holding of the Rahimi Court because R.C. 2923.13(A)(2) allows

an individual to apply for relief from [his disability] pursuant to R.C. 2923.14.”).

       {¶98} We agree that a legislative procedure for removing disabilities,

including one that would require Thacker to petition a court of common pleas, could

render his disability under R.C. 2923.13(A) temporary. Perhaps Thacker could even

bear the burden of proof under such a statute. See, e.g., Williams, 113 F.4th at 662

(placing burden on defendant to show nondangerousness). However, for such a

scheme to work, it would need to apply objective, not subjective standards for

determining whether the disability should be removed. Compare Bruen, 597 U.S. at

38, fn. 9 (discussing the need for objective standards in permitting regimes). The state

of Washington, for example, allows individuals adjudicated delinquent of most

felonies to petition a court to restore their firearm rights after being in the community

for   five   years   without   a   subsequent   disarming     offense.   Wash.Rev.Code

9.41.041(2)(a)(i); Wash.Rev.Code 9.41.010(6) (defining “conviction” to include a

juvenile adjudication); see infra Appendix, List A. While we express no opinion on the

duration and contours of Washington’s firearm-disability law, we note that such a

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caveated, as-of-right framework would render the disability truly “temporary,” even

though a failure to apply for restoration could mean that the disability remained

permanent.

       {¶99} Ohio, however, offers no certainty as to when a disability must end. The

only guidance R.C. 2923.14(D)(1)(a) offers courts is to ask whether the disarmed

individual has “led a law-abiding life since discharge or release, and appears likely to

continue to do so.” For how long? It depends. By what metric? It depends. On what

evidence? It depends. The answers to all these questions are “vested within a trial

court’s broad discretion,” and are reviewed only for an abuse of that discretion. In re

Chrosniak, 

 (8th Dist.). And the trial court’s discretion is not

even limited to the text of the statute—“the plain language of R.C. 2923.14(D) specifies

that even if all the factors are established to the trial court’s satisfaction, it is

nevertheless within the court’s discretion whether to grant the application.”

(Emphasis added.) State v. Lerch, 

, ¶ 24 (4th Dist.). Thus, courts have

blessed the use of unpredictable, nonstatutory considerations within the trial court’s

discretionary exercise. See, e.g., 

 (approving trial court’s denial

of relief based on violent character of underlying conviction, despite conceding that

defendant had “led a law abiding life since the time of his discharge [26 years prior]

and appear[ed] likely to continue to do so”); 

 (rejecting appeal from a

denial of relief, even though applicant sought “relief from prior convictions for the

nonviolent, non-drug offenses of passing bad checks”); see also In re Relief from

Disability of Mercer, 

, 

, at *7 (10th Dist.

Oct. 30, 2001) (refusing to establish a “bright-line test for determining release from

disability cases” because doing so “would ignore the discretion the trial court is

specifically granted in R.C. 2923.14”).

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       {¶100}Relief from a disability in Ohio amounts to an act of grace by the trial

court, not a restoration as of right. The same argument that holds out R.C. 2923.14(D)

as rendering Thacker’s disability “temporary,” would apply nearly as well to an

executive pardon. And while the discretion a trial court wields is more limited than the

governor’s pardon pen, that limitation cuts against the Second Amendment right, for

the governor may pardon even those who have not led a “law-abiding life.” See Ohio

Const., art. III, § 11 (granting governor power to “grant . . . pardons, for all crimes and

offenses, except treason and cases of impeachment, upon such conditions as the

governor may think proper”); State v. Boykin, 

 (“the legislature

may not prescribe substantive regulations concerning the governor’s discretion in

granting a pardon”).

       {¶101} Further, R.C. 2923.14(F)(3) permits the court that removed a

petitioner’s disability to “revoke[]” that relief “at any time for good cause shown and

upon notice to the applicant.” This “good cause” standard is no less discretionary than

the “proper cause” licensure requirement rejected in Bruen. See Bruen, 597 U.S. at 12-

14; id. at 79-80 (Kavanaugh, J., concurring). And under R.C. 2923.14, a petitioner’s

Second Amendment rights are not only subject to the trial court’s discretion in

resolving the initial petition, but remain so in perpetuity. See Skaggs,

, at ¶ 70 (5th Dist.) (King, J., dissenting).

       {¶102} Perhaps such a discretionary regime for restoring Second Amendment

rights would be appropriate for individuals who can be presumed dangerous for life.

Perhaps, as suggested by the Williams court, the presumption attached to those

convicted of felony crimes against the person would be so strong that restoration of

their rights could hinge on an act of grace. We express no opinion on such questions.

But, as we have said, Ohio law presently and historically has attached a presumption

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of rehabilitation to juvenile delinquency determinations. Thus, Ohio may not attach

an indefinite presumption that those adjudicated to be nonviolent delinquent

juveniles will forever be dangerous. Any presumption of danger for such persons must

end, either of its own force or as of right upon application.

       {¶103} We note further that Ohio’s “unusual discretionary . . . regime” for

restoring the rights of individuals like Thacker is an “outlier” among its sister states.

See Bruen, 597 U.S. at 79 (Kavanaugh, J., concurring) (“New York’s outlier may-issue

regime is constitutionally problematic because it grants open-ended discretion to

licensing officials and authorizes licenses only for those applicants who can show some

special need apart from self-defense.”). Of all 50 states (and the District of Columbia),

only five other jurisdictions presumptively deny an individual’s right to bear arms

permanently based on a juvenile drug adjudication. See infra Appendix, List A. By

contrast, 18 jurisdictions temporarily disarm individuals adjudicated delinquent for

drug felonies for some limited period of time—either between two and ten years from

the end of any sentence, or until the individual reaches a statutory age between 24 and

30. See infra Appendix, List B. The remaining 26 states, plus the District of Columbia,

impose no apparent weapons disability based on juvenile delinquency adjudications

for drug offenses. See infra Appendix, List C. Federal law, which likewise prohibits

numerous groups from possessing firearms, does not disarm based on juvenile

delinquency adjudications. See 18 U.S.C. 922(g).

       {¶104} While the “outlier” character of Ohio’s law in this area does not, itself,

render it unconstitutional, the fact that most other states do not disarm individuals

like Thacker does demonstrate widespread recognition of the basic underpinnings of

this decision: that the permanent disarmament of those adjudicated delinquent as

juveniles for drug offenses is inconsistent with the Second Amendment and the

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principles of juvenile justice. Nearly 90 percent of states, including states as politically

and geographically diverse as Texas, Tennessee, California, Hawaii, and Delaware—as

well as D.C. and the federal government—have legislated accordingly. Not only does

Ohio’s attempt to criminalize Thacker’s possession of a firearm defy history and

tradition, it also bucks the general consensus among modern legislatures.

       {¶105} We therefore hold that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) is unconstitutional as applied

to an individual who, like Thacker, was (1) adjudicated delinquent as a minor (2) for

nonviolent conduct, thus (3) disarming him, presumptively for life, (4) subject only to

a trial court’s discretionary determination whether to lift his disability.

                            V. THE OHIO CONSTITUTION

       {¶106} Because we hold that the federal constitution prevents the State’s

criminal prosecution of Thacker under R.C. 2923.13(A)(3), we need not address

Thacker’s alternative argument, which he made before the trial court, that his

prosecution runs afoul of Article I, Section 4 of the Ohio Constitution. We note only

that, to the extent the Ohio Supreme Court has suggested Ohio’s right to bear arms

extends beyond the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, such

pronouncements came before the shift in Second Amendment jurisprudence heralded

by Heller. See Arnold v. City of Cleveland, 

 (1993); see also King,

, at ¶ 37 (8th Dist.); Windland, 

 (5th Dist.).

But see Skaggs, 

, at ¶ 73-90 (5th Dist.) (King, J., dissenting) (“the text,

history, and tradition of our own constitution may serve as an independent basis to

strike down the restriction”).

       {¶107} The court below engaged in no substantive legal analysis regarding the

scope of Article I, Section 4, of the Ohio Constitution and ruled solely on the Bruen

issue. Thacker likewise offers no independent Ohio Constitutional argument in his

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brief. We therefore decline to opine on the breadth of Ohio’s independent protection

of the right to bear arms in this case.

                                 VI. CONCLUSION

       {¶108} The State has not provided evidence of a compelling, relevantly similar

tradition of imposing presumptively permanent disarmament upon persons who have

been found to have engaged in unlawful, nonviolent conduct but who are presumed to

have reformed. Even assuming that felons may be categorically disarmed, juvenile

adjudications under Ohio law could not fall within that tradition because they do not

include the crucial safeguard of the jury trial. And, while the State may disarm

categories of persons deemed dangerous, those categories must be reasonably limited

to dangerous persons, and the duration of disarmament reasonably tailored to the

period in which the disarmed party poses a danger. Even assuming Thacker’s juvenile

delinquency adjudication for complicity to trafficking in marijuana could support an

adequate inference of dangerousness, history, tradition, and Ohio law suggest that

such a disability cannot last forever. We therefore overrule the State’s sole assignment

of error and affirm the trial court’s judgment dismissing counts eight and nine of

Thacker’s indictment.

                                                                   Judgment affirmed.

BOCK, P.J., concurs.
WINKLER, J., dissents.


WINKLER, J., dissenting.

       {¶109} The trial court erred in granting Thacker’s motion to dismiss the

weapons-under-a-disability charges under R.C. 2923.13(A)(3).          The trial court’s

decision granting the motion to dismiss is premised upon the flawed reasoning of State



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v. Booker, Hamilton C.P. No. B-2302415 (Dec. 19, 2023). Therefore, I respectfully

dissent.

           {¶110} Generally, we review a trial court’s decision on a motion to dismiss de

novo.       State v. Thompson, 

 (1st Dist.); State v. Battease,

 (1st Dist.). Legislative enactments enjoy a strong presumption

of constitutionality. To overcome that presumption, the challenging party must prove

that the statute is unconstitutional beyond a reasonable doubt.            Klein v. Leis,

, ¶ 4; State v. Campbell, 

 (1st Dist.). “Further,

‘doubts regarding the validity of a legislative enactment are to be resolved in favor of

the statute.’” State v. Grievous, 

, quoting State v. Gill, 

 (1992).

           {¶111} Thacker contends that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) is unconstitutional as applied

to him. The party contending that a statute is unconstitutional as applied bears the

burden to present clear and convincing evidence that makes the statute void when

applied to the facts of the case. Harrold v. Collier, 

, ¶ 38; 

.

           {¶112} R.C. 2923.13(A) provides in pertinent part, “Unless relieved from

disability under operation of law or legal process, no person shall knowingly acquire,

have, carry, or use any firearm or dangerous ordnance, if . . . [t]he person . . . has been

adjudicated a delinquent child for the commission of an offense that, if committed by

an adult, would have been a felony offense involving the illegal possession, use, sale,

administration, distribution, or trafficking in any drug of abuse.”

           {¶113} R.C. 2923.14 provides a mechanism for an individual to obtain relief

from a disability. He must first file an application in the court of common pleas in the

county in which he lives. R.C. 2923.14(A) and (B). Pertinent to this case, after a

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hearing, a court may grant the application for relief if (1) the application is based on

an indictment, a conviction, or an       adjudication, the applicant has been fully

discharged from imprisonment, community control, postrelease control, and parole;

(2) the applicant has led a law-abiding life since discharge or release, and appears

likely to continue to do so; and (3) the applicant is not otherwise prohibited by law

from acquiring, having, or using firearms. R.C. 2923.14(D).

       {¶114} Under this statute, an applicant is entitled to make an individualized

showing of his or her qualification to bear arms. Therefore, a ban on possession of a

firearm is not necessarily a lifetime ban. State v. Skaggs, 

, ¶ 25 (5th

Dist.); State v. Windland, 

 (5th Dist.). Additionally, in

2015, the legislature amended R.C. 2923.13(A) to change the phrase “Unless relieved

from disability as provided in section 2923.14 of the Revised Code . . .” to “Unless

relieved from disability under operation of law or legal process . . . .” State v. TJD,

 (2d Dist.). The use of that language expanded the way that an

individual could be relieved of a disability. For example, sealing of a record of

conviction under R.C. 2953.32 is “an operation of law or legal process” that relieves a

disability imposed under R.C. 2923.13(A)(3). Id. at ¶ 33-35.

       {¶115} Thacker did not apply to be relieved of his disability under R.C. 2923.14

or any other “operation of law or legal process.” The decision whether to grant an

application or relief from a disability lies within the trial court’s discretion. In re

Allender, 

 (11th Dist.); In re Chrosniak, 

(8th Dist.). Nevertheless, Thacker never requested that a court exercise its discretion.

Prior to his indictment on the current charges, the facts demonstrate that he met the

criteria set forth in R.C. 2923.14, and a trial court in its discretion may have granted



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an application for relief from the disability. We will never know, since he never applied

for relief from the disability.

       {¶116} In rejecting an as-applied challenge to a federal statute similar to R.C.

2923.13, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals stated, “History shows that governments

may use class-based legislation to disarm people it believes are dangerous, so long as

members of that class have an opportunity to show they aren’t.” United States v.

Williams, 

, 661-662 (6th Cir. 2024). Thacker had that opportunity under

R.C. 2923.14, but he did not avail himself of the statutory remedies available to him.

See State v. Carnes, 

. In my view, that failure prevents him from

claiming that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) is unconstitutional as applied to him and the

particular facts of this case. For the first time, Thacker raised his claim that the statute

was unconstitutional as applied to him after he was indicted not only on two weapons-

under-disability counts, but also five counts of felonious assault. He was ultimately

convicted of two felonious-assault counts with firearm specifications.

       {¶117} Had Thacker applied for relief from his disability and that application

had been denied, I do not find merit in his contention that his rights under the Second

Amendment would have been violated. In Dist. of Columbia v. Heller, 

(2008), the United States Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment to the

United States Constitution confers an individual right to keep and bear arms. 

. Therefore, the Court found a District of Columbia law prohibiting the ownership

and possession of handguns inside the home and used for self-defense to be

unconstitutional. 

.

       {¶118} In McDonald v. Chicago, 

 (2010), the Court held that the

right to bear arms enshrined in the Second Amendment “is fully applicable to the

states.” 

 at 750 and 791. Thus, the Court struck down similar laws in Chicago and

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Oak Park that banned the possession of handguns in the home. See Campbell,

 (1st Dist.).

       {¶119} Nevertheless, in Heller, the Supreme Court pointed out that “[l]ike most

rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.” 

. It stated,

       Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of

       the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should

       be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession

       of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying

       of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government

       buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the

       commercial sale of arms.

. The Court continued, “We identify these presumptively lawful

regulatory measures only as examples; our list does not purport to be exhaustive.” 

.

       {¶120} Subsequently, In N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Assn. v. Bruen, 

(2022), the Court extended the individual right to own a handgun for self-defense to

outside the home. It held that a New York law that issued public-carry licenses only

when an applicant demonstrated a special need for self-defense violated the Second

Amendment. Id. at 8-10. In doing so, it clarified the test to be applied in determining

if a law violates the Second Amendment.

       {¶121} The Court in Bruen noted that after Heller, appellate courts “have

coalesced around a ‘two-step framework’ for analyzing Second Amendment challenges

that combines history with means-end scrutiny.” Id. at 17. It examined the two-step



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approach and declined to apply it, noting that it is “one step too many.” Id. at 19. It

stated,

          In keeping with Heller, we hold that when the Second Amendment’s

          plain   text    covers   an   individual’s   conduct,   the   Constitution

          presumptively protects that conduct. To justify its regulation, the

          government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an

          important interest. Rather, the government must demonstrate that the

          regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm

          regulation. Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this Nation’s

          historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct

          falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.”

Id. at 17.

          {¶122} The Court in Bruen also stated that while the test regarding the

constitutionality of firearm regulations has removed the means-end framework, the

analysis for those questions remains much the same as it was in Heller. As with Heller,

a court must begin with a “textual analysis” focused on the “normal and ordinary

meaning” of the Second Amendment and examine the history of “analogous arms-

bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the

adoption of the Second Amendment” and “how the Second Amendment was

interpreted from immediately after its ratification through the end of the 19th

century.” Bruen, 597 U.S. at 20.

          {¶123} Further, the concurring opinions in Bruen noted that it “does not

‘disturb anything . . . in Heller or McDonald . . . about restrictions that may be imposed

on the possession or carrying of guns.’” State v. Jackson, 

 (8th

Dist.), quoting In re Terry, 

, *4 (11th Cir. Nov. 14, 2022).

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Heller recognized that the right to bear arms “was not a right to keep and carry any

weapon whatsoever in any manner and for whatever purpose.” Heller, 

.

          {¶124} In June 2024, the United States Supreme Court clarified its holding in

Bruen. In United States v. Rahimi, __ U.S. __, 

 (2024), it held that

“[a]n individual found by a court to post a credible threat to the physical safety of

another may be temporarily disarmed consistent the Second Amendment.” Id. at

1903. It stated that prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the

mentally ill are “presumably lawful.” Id. at 1902, citing Heller, 

.

Thus, Rahimi “reaffirmed the notion that the Supreme Court’s previous case in Heller

was not undermined by Bruen, and that when the prohibition relates to a convicted

felon or someone who is otherwise a danger to others, the Second Amendment is not

a bar to disarming such a person.” Skaggs, 

, at ¶ 14 (5th Dist.).

          {¶125} Under Heller, several Ohio appellate districts have held that R.C.

2923.13(A)(3) is constitutional. See State v. Morris, 

, ¶ 85 (11th

Dist.).    Further, numerous federal courts have upheld federal prohibitions on

possession of weapons by felons or persons using controlled substances as

constitutional under Bruen. See 

. The purpose of R.C. 2923.13 is

“to prohibit the possession of any firearm or dangerous ordnance by persons who are

reasonably classified as bad risks, including those indicted or convicted of drug

offenses. A rational connection exists between the inherent danger of firearms and

the antisocial behavior of those who have a record of violating the law.” 

.

          {¶126} R.C. 2923.13 does not broadly restrict the use of firearms by the public

generally. It only restricts the use by a specifically defined category of people. It is

similar to two separate historical traditions, (1) the historical tradition of restricting

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the right of habitual drug users, alcoholics, or the mentally ill to possess or carry

firearms, and (2) the historical tradition of disarming those the legislature deems

dangerous. 

.

       {¶127} This analysis does not change simply because it is applied to a juvenile

adjudication.   Courts reviewing the historical tradition of firearm regulations have

held that the founders would have supported limiting or banning the ownership of

firearms by minors, much like banning ownership by felons or the mentally ill. See

NRA of Am. v. Bur. of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, 

(5th Cir. 2012); United States v. Rene E., 

 (1st Cir. 2009); Powell v.

Thompkins, 

 (D.Mass. 2013).           “[C]ertain access-limiting

conditions were and may be lawfully imposed upon individuals seeking to own and

use firearms. Age-based restrictions, enacted for reasons of public safety, are among

those lawful impositions.” 

.

       {¶128} The majority opinion discusses how juvenile court decisions are civil

and treated differently than adult cases. The Ohio Supreme Court has recognized that

at their inception “juvenile courts were premised on profoundly different assumptions

and goals than a criminal court.” In re C.S., 

, ¶ 66. Nevertheless, the

Court recognized the inherent tension in the juvenile court system between the goals

of juvenile rehabilitation and protection of society. Id. at ¶ 75. “[A]lthough we often

characterize juvenile proceedings as civil rather than criminal, . . . we recognize that

‘[w]hatever their label, juvenile delinquency laws feature inherently criminal aspects

that we cannot ignore.’” Id. at ¶ 76, quoting State v. Walls, 

, ¶ 26.

       {¶129} The Ohio Supreme Court and this court have held that a prior juvenile

adjudication may be an element of the weapons-under-disability offense without

violating due process under the Ohio or United States Constitutions.            Carnes,

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; State v. McCray, 

 (1st Dist.). In

Carnes, the defendant was charged with a violation of R.C. 2923.13(A)(2), in which

the disability is that “[t]he person is under indictment for or has been convicted of any

felony offense of violence or has been adjudicated a delinquent child for the

commission of an offense that, if committed by an adult, would have been a felony

offense of violence.”     It stated that a juvenile adjudication is not a sentence

enhancement but is actually an element of the offense. 

. “R.C. 2923.13,

the weapons-under-disability statute did not equate a juvenile adjudication with an

adult conviction but instead considered a juvenile adjudication itself as one of several

discrete conditions that prevented a person from legally possessing a firearm.” State

v. Buttery, 

, ¶ 16.

        {¶130} Inherent in R.C. 2923.12(A)(2), is a “policy decision made by the

legislature that allowing weapons in the hands of individuals with certain prior

juvenile adjudications poses an increased risk to public safety, as does allowing

weapons in the hands of those with other disabling conditions such as chronic

alcoholism or drug dependence.” 

.

        {¶131} The Court noted that the risk-assessment made by the legislature did

not undermine the rehabilitative purpose of the juvenile system. Id. at ¶ 17. “[T]he

lack of a right to a jury trial, as well as other protections, does not make prior juvenile

adjudications unreliable for risk-assessment purposes.”           Id.   In reaching this

conclusion, the Court recognized that a legal disability “can arise from far less than a

jury-eligible criminal conviction,” such as when a person is under indictment for

certain felonies, fugitives, persons deemed to be mentally incompetent, and persons

with chronic drug dependence, a danger of drug dependence, or chronic alcoholism.

Id. at ¶ 11.

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       {¶132} The same logic applies to R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) when the disability is a

juvenile adjudication for the commission of acts that would constitute a felony drug

offense if committed by an adult. The link between drug offenses and violence is well

known. See State v. Thompson, 

 (1st Dist.). “[D]rug trafficking

is a serious offense that, in itself, poses a danger to the community.” Williams, 113

F.4th at 659, quoting United States v. Stone, 

 (6th Cir. 2010).

This court has stated that one of the purposes of R.C. 2923.12(A)(3) is “to keep

weapons out of the hands of persons involved with drugs.”               State v. Stone,

 (1st Dist.), quoting State v. Gex, 

, ¶ 22 (2d Dist.).

“The nature of narcotics trafficking today reasonably warrants the conclusion that a

suspected dealer may be armed and dangerous.” State v. McQuitty, 

 (12th Dist.), quoting State v. Jordan, 

, ¶ 61.

       {¶133} In State v. Johnson, 

 (3d Dist.), a pre-Bruen case that

relied on Heller and McDonald, the defendant was charged with having weapons

under a disability under R.C. 2923.13(A)(2) because of a previous juvenile

adjudication for burglary, an offense of violence. The defendant filed a motion to

dismiss, in which he challenged the constitutionality of the statute, raising both facial

and as-applied arguments under the Second Amendment. The trial court denied the

motion.

       {¶134} On appeal, the appellate court stated that both the United States

Supreme Court and the Ohio Supreme Court have held that the Second-Amendment

right is not unlimited and subject to reasonable regulation. It recognized that in

Carnes, the Ohio Supreme Court stated that there was a legislative purpose in keeping

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and dangerous, and a juvenile adjudication could be a valid risk-assessment tool.

Johnson at ¶ 30-32.

       {¶135} The appellate court further noted that after Heller, other courts around

the country had addressed similar issues and upheld restrictions on the right to bear

arms based on juvenile adjudications. Id. at ¶ 34. It held that although a juvenile

adjudication is not a criminal conviction, the legislature was wholly within its powers

to use that adjudication for an offense that would be a felony offense of violence if

committed by an adult as a “risk assessment tool.” Id. at ¶ 35.

       {¶136} Subsequently, in State v. King, 

 (8th Dist.), decided

after Bruen and Rahimi, the defendant was indicted for having weapons under a

disability under R.C. 2923.13(A)(2). The disability was a juvenile adjudication which

would have been felony domestic violence if committed by an adult. The defendant

filed a motion to dismiss the indictment, raising both facial and as-applied challenges,

which the trial court overruled. He later filed a no-contest plea and was convicted of

the charged offense.

       {¶137} The appellate court affirmed the conviction. On appeal, the defendant

abandoned his as-applied challenge. As to the facial challenge, the court recognized

that R.C. 2923.13(A)(2) “serves to disarm those who have committed violent, felony

offenses, regardless of the offender’s age at the time of the felonious, violent offenses.”

Id. at ¶ 22. It also discussed Bruen and Rahimi and held that the restrictions under

R.C. 2923.13(A)(2) comport with “this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm

regulation” as stated in Rahimi. It discussed the federal statute that Rahimi had

upheld. “In Rahimi, the U.S. Supreme Court unequivocally specified that it is not a

violation of the Second Amendment to disarm an ‘individual’ (which is not limited to

an adult), who has been ‘found by a court’ (which is not limited to an adult court) to

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‘pose a credible threat to the physical safety of another’ (without specifying that this

may be determined only by a conviction versus a juvenile adjudication).” 

,

citing Rahimi, , 144 S.Ct. at 1903.

       {¶138} The court in King also relied on language in Bruen, which cited to a

decree from 1866 in South Carolina, which stated that “no disorderly person, vagrant,

or disturber of the peace, shall be allowed to bear arms.” 

, quoting Bruen,

597 U.S. at 63. It observed that in the next sentence, Bruen discussed newspaper

editors who borrowed language from a Freedmen’s Bureau circular “who maintained

that ‘any person, white or black, may be disarmed if convicted of making an improper

or dangerous use of weapons[.]’” Id. at ¶ 29, citing 

. It added, “Notably,

these are not limited to adults and it is undisputed that juveniles may pose a threat to

the safety of another.” (Emphasis in original.) 

       {¶139} In King, the defendant had argued that a juvenile adjudication should

be viewed as separate and distinct from an adult conviction, and that it should not

constitute a disabling offense for the purpose of the having-weapons-under-disability

statute. He cited to the goals of juvenile courts, as well as the fact that juvenile cases

are not tried before juries. King, 

, at ¶ 30 (8th Dist.).

       {¶140} The court stated that those arguments mirrored those in the dissenting

opinion in Carnes, which relied on scientific research that a juvenile’s brain is

underdeveloped, along with decisions of the United States Supreme Court holding

juveniles are less culpable for their conduct and more likely to benefit from the

rehabilitative efforts of the justice system. Id. at ¶ 31, citing Carnes, 

 (O’Connor, C.J., dissenting). The King court rejected these arguments, finding

that they go to the “culpability and rehabilitative nature of juvenile offenses; they do

not specifically relate to the ‘history and tradition of firearms regulation’ and can

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coexist with Rahimi . . . .” Id. at ¶ 32. Consequently, the King court determined that

R.C. 2923.13(A)(2) did not violate the protections guaranteed by the Second

Amendment. Id. at ¶ 27.

       {¶141} I am in agreement with the reasoning of Johnson and King. Therefore,

I would hold that R.C. 2023.13(A)(3) is not unconstitutional as applied to Thacker,

and that his weapons-under-disability charges do not violate his right to bear arms

under the Second Amendment.

       {¶142} Thacker also contends that weapons-under-disability charges violate

the Ohio Constitution.      Courts have stated that because “the United States

Constitution now equally protects the right of the individual to bear arms, we see no

obvious conflict between the Ohio Constitution and the United States Constitution.”

King, 

, at ¶ 35 (8th Dist.), quoting Windland, 

 (5th Dist.). Therefore, I would hold that Thacker has not demonstrated that R.C.

2923.13(A)(3) is unconstitutional under the Ohio Constitution.

       {¶143} In sum, I would sustain the State’s assignment of error. I would reverse

the trial court’s judgment granting Thacker’s motion to dismiss the weapons-under-

disability charges on the basis that R.C. 2923.13(A)(3) is unconstitutional as applied

to Thacker, and remand the cause to the trial court for further proceedings on those

charges.



Please note:

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                                APPENDIX:
       SURVEY OF STATE STATUTES DISARMING JUVENILE DRUG OFFENDERS

                              List A:
        Permanent Disarmament for Juvenile Drug Adjudications

The following states’ statutes, like Ohio’s R.C. 2923.13, impose presumptive lifetime
disarmament for those adjudicated delinquent for felony drug offenses:

1. Connecticut law disarms any person adjudicated delinquent for a “serious
   juvenile offense,” Conn.Gen.Stat. 53a-217(a)(2), which is defined to include any
   violation by a 16- or 17-year-old of “any federal or state law” subject to exceptions
   not relevant here. Conn.Gen.Stat. 46b-120(2)(A).
2. Illinois prohibits owning a firearm without a “Firearm Owner’s Identification
   Card,” 430 Ill.Comp.Stat. 65/2(a)(1), (2), but will not issue such a card to any
   “adult who had been adjudicated a delinquent minor . . . for the commission of an
   offense that if committed by an adult would be a felony.” 430 Ill.Comp.Stat.
   65/8(p).
3. Iowa prohibits a “person . . . who is adjudicated delinquent on the basis of conduct
   that would constitute a felony if committed by an adult” from possessing, receiving,
   or transporting a firearm. Iowa Code 724.26(1).
4. Massachusetts requires a license to possess a firearm, Mass.Gen.Laws, Ch. 140,
   Section 131(a) (effective Oct. 23, 2024), but only permits the issuance of licenses
   to individuals who have never “been convicted or adjudicated as a youthful
   offender or delinquent child . . . for the commission of” a felony offense or a
   controlled-substances offense. Mass.Gen.Laws, Ch. 140, Section 121F(j)(i)
   (effective Oct. 23, 2024).
5. Wisconsin law states that a “person who possesses a firearm is guilty of a Class
   G felony if . . . [t]he person has been adjudicated delinquent for an act . . . that if
   committed by an adult in this state would be a felony.” Wis.Stat. 941.29(1m)(bm).

                                List B:
          Limited Disarmament for Juvenile Drug Adjudications

The following states’ statutes prohibit individuals adjudicated delinquent for felony
drug conduct from possessing a firearm for a limited period:

1. Alaska law makes it a crime to “knowingly possess[] a firearm capable of being
   concealed on one’s person after having been . . . adjudicated a delinquent minor
   for conduct that would constitute a felony if committed by an adult.” Alaska Stat.
   11.61.200(a)(1). However, that provision “do[es] not apply to a person if . . . a
   period of 10 years or more has elapsed between the date of the person’s
   unconditional discharge on the prior . . . adjudication of juvenile delinquency and
   the date” on which they possessed the firearm. Alaska Stat. 11.61.200(b)(1)(C).
2. Arizona law prohibits persons who were “previously adjudicated delinquent for
   an offense that would be a felony if committed by an adult” from possessing a
   firearm. Ariz.Rev.Stat. 13-3113. Such individuals may apply and have their rights

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   restored two years after their sentence ends for most felonies, and at age 30 for
   “serious” or “dangerous” felonies. Ariz.Rev.Stat. 8-249(B) and (C).
3. California prohibits any person “adjudged a ward of the juvenile court” for
   numerous crimes, including certain drug felonies, from possessing or owning a
   firearm until they are at least 30 years of age. Cal.Penal Code 29820(a)(1), (a)(2),
   and (b).
4. Delaware prohibits any person from owning a deadly weapon “who, as a juvenile,
   has been adjudicated as delinquent for conduct which, if committed by an adult,
   would constitute a felony, until that person reaches the age of 25.” Del.Code, Title
   11, sec. 1448(a)(4).
5. Florida disarms persons “[f]ound . . . to have committed a delinquent act that
   would be a felony if committed by an adult and such person is under 24 years of
   age.” Fla.Stat. 790.23(1)(b).
6. Hawaii law provides that “[n]o person who is less than twenty-five years old and
   has been adjudicated by the family court to have committed a felony, a crime of
   violence, a criminal offense relating to firearms, or an illegal sale or distribution of
   any drug shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition.” Haw.Rev.Stat.
   134-7(d).
7. Kansas law prohibits an individual who “was adjudicated as a juvenile offender
   because of the commission of an act which if done by an adult would constitute the
   commission of” certain felony crimes—including controlled substances
   violations—from possessing a firearm for eight years from the date on which her
   sentence ended. Kan.Stat. 21-6304(a)(3)(A)(i)(b), (a)(3)(A)(ii), and (a)(3)(B).
8. Kentucky law sets forth two groups of juvenile offenders. The first type are the
   “public offenders,” who are the subject of “public offense actions” brought “in the
   interest of a child” accused of committing a crime—much like juvenile delinquency
   adjudications in other states. Ky.Rev.Stat. 600.20(51). However, a juvenile may be
   deemed a “youthful offender” if they are at least 14 and are charged with a Class A
   or B felony, or if they are 16, have a prior public offense, and are charged with a
   Class C or D felony. See Ky.Rev.Stat. 635.020(1), (2), and (3); Ky.Rev.Stat.
   640.010. Public-offense adjudications occur in the juvenile session of the district
   court, and Kentucky Law states shall not “be deemed a conviction, nor shall such
   adjudication operate to impose any of the civil disabilities ordinarily resulting from
   a criminal conviction, nor shall any child be found guilty or be deemed a criminal
   by reason of such adjudication.” Ky.Rev.Stat. 635.040. Thus, public offenses
   cannot be used as a predicate felony for the crime of “possession of a firearm by a
   convicted felon.” Ky.Rev.Stat. 527.040(1). However, this disarming provision does
   “apply to any youthful offender convicted of a felony offense.” Ky.Rev.Stat.
   527.040(3). But youthful offenders are subject to full criminal process, but with
   certain limitations on their potential sentence. Ky.Rev.Stat. 640.040. “Trafficking
   in controlled substance” may be a misdemeanor or a felony of any class, A through
   D, depending upon the nature and quantify of the drug being trafficked, as well as
   the trafficker’s history of similar offenses. See Ky.Rev.Stat. 218A.1412, 218A.1413,
   and 218A.1414. Except for a second offense involving more than five pounds,
   marijuana trafficking does not rank above a Class C felony. Ky.Rev.Stat.
   218A.1421(1) through (4).

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9. Louisiana imposes a ten-year firearms ban after an individual completes their
   sentence or probation for certain “felony-grade delinquent act[s]” adjudicated
   while they were 15 or 16, including “any violation of the Uniform Controlled
   Substances Law,” among other felonies. La.Rev.Stat. 14:95.1(A)(1), (A)(2)(a), and
   (C).
10. Maine prohibits individuals from owning a gun for three years if they were
    adjudicated delinquent for conduct amounting to a felony punishable by at least a
    year in prison, but which did not involve domestic violence, a firearm, or bodily
    injury. Me.Rev.Stat., Title 15, sec. 393(1-A).
11. Maryland prohibits individuals from owning firearms who are “under the age of
    30 years at the time of possession” and who have “been adjudicated delinquent . .
    . for an act that would be a disqualifying crime if committed by an adult.” Md.Code,
    Pub.Safety 5-205(b)(13) and 5-133(b)(15). “Disqualifying crime[s]” include all
    felonies. Md.Code, Pub.Safety 5-101(g)(2).
12. Nebraska prohibits individuals “under the age of twenty-five years” from owning
    guns if they have “previously been adjudicated an offender in juvenile court for an
    act which would constitute a felony.” Neb.Rev.Stat. 28-1204.05(1). The disarmed
    individual may also petition to have the right reinstated prior to turning 25 under
    Neb.Rev.Stat. 28-1204.05(4).
13. North Dakota prohibits individuals “convicted . . . of a felony offense involving
    violence or intimidation” from possessing a gun for ten years following their
    convictions or sentences. N.D.Cent.Code 62.1-02-01(1)(a). It further disarms
    individuals convicted of any other felony offense for five years following their
    conviction or sentence. N.D.Cent.Code 62.1-02-01(1)(b); State v. Moses, 

 (noting that “[a]ny felony conviction will serve as a predicate” for this
    provision). The statute defines “conviction” to include individuals “subject to
    juvenile adjudication or proceedings and a determination of a court . . . that the
    person committed the delinquent act or offense.” N.D.Cent.Code 62.1-02-01(2)(f).
14. Oklahoma prohibits “any person previously adjudicated as a delinquent child or
    a youthful offender for the commission of an offense, which would have constituted
    a felony offense if committed by an adult,” from possessing a firearm “within ten
    (10) years after such adjudication.” 21 Okla.Stat. 1283(D).
15. Oregon statute defines the crime of “unlawful possession of a firearm” to include
    any person who knowingly possesses a firearm, was “found to be within the
    jurisdiction of the juvenile court for having committed an act which, if committed
    by an adult, would constitute a felony,” and who was discharged from that
    jurisdiction “within four years prior to being charged with” unlawful possession.
    Or.Rev.Stat. 166.250(1)(c)(B). This would include drug felonies.
16. Utah makes it a second-degree felony for an individual to possess a firearm who,
    “within the last 10 years[,] has been adjudicated” by the juvenile court “for an
    offense which if committed by an adult would have been a violent felony.” Utah
    Code 76-10-503(1)(a)(iv) and (2). And Utah makes it a third-degree felony for an
    individual to possess a firearm who, “within the last seven years[,] has been
    adjudicated delinquent for an offense which if committed by an adult would have
    been a felony” but not a violent felony. Utah Code 76-10-503(1)(b)(iii) and (3).


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17. Virginia law makes it illegal for “any person under the age of 29 who was
    adjudicated delinquent as a juvenile 14 years of age or older at the time of the
    offense of a delinquent act which would be a felony if committed by an adult . . . to
    knowingly and intentionally possess or transport any firearm or ammunition for a
    firearm.” Va.Code 18.2-308.2(A). However, if the delinquency adjudication was for
    murder, kidnaping, “robbery by the threat or presentation of firearms,” or rape,
    then the prohibition on possession of firearms does not end at age 29, but
    continues indefinitely. Id.
18. Washington forbids individuals from possessing a firearm “after having
    previously been convicted” of a felony. Wash.Rev.Code 9.41.040(1)(a) and
    (2)(a)(i)(A). In this context, “convicted” is defined to include those who plead or
    are found guilty in an adult criminal proceeding, as well as those “adjudicated in a
    juvenile court.” Wash.Rev.Code 9.41.010(6). However, Washington permits
    individuals “convicted” of a felony offense to petition a court to restore their
    firearm rights if they have “been in the community without being convicted or
    found not guilty by reason of insanity of any crime that prohibits the possession of
    a firearm” for five years, Wash.Rev.Code 9.41.041(2)(a)(i), unless the prior
    conviction was for a “felony sex offense[,] a class A felony[,] or a felony offense with
    a maximum sentence of 20 years.” Wash.Rev.Code 9.41.041(1). The manufacture,
    delivery, and possession with intent to distribute of narcotics, amphetamines or
    similar substances are classified as Class B felonies, while other drug felonies are
    generally Class C, at most. See Wash.Rev.Code 69.50.401(2) and 69.50.410(1). It
    does not appear that a drug offense can constitute a “class A felony,” or come with
    a maximum sentence of 20+ years. Because drug felonies do not fall within any
    exception, a person adjudicated delinquent for a drug felony in Washington may
    petition a court and have their right to possess a firearm restored as of right after
    five years of good behavior.

                                  List C
              No Disarmament for Juvenile Drug Adjudications

The following states do not prohibit firearms possession by those adjudicated
delinquent for drug crimes.

1. Alabama’s felony-disarmament statute is limited to those convicted in criminal
   proceedings and does not appear to apply to individuals adjudicated delinquent in
   the juvenile system. See Ala.Code 13A-11-72(a)(1) (prohibiting possession of
   firearm by certain felons); Ala.Code 13A-11-72(h)(1) (defining conviction without
   reference to juvenile proceedings); Ala.Code 12-15-220(a) (“An order of
   disposition or other adjudication in a proceeding [in juvenile court for
   delinquency] shall not be considered to be a conviction or impose any civil
   disabilities ordinarily resulting from a conviction of a crime”).
2. Arkansas law provides that, in general, “no person shall possess or own any
   firearm who has been: (1) Convicted of a felony; (2) Adjudicated mentally ill; or (3)
   Committed involuntarily to any mental institution.” Ark.Code Ann. 5-73-103(a).
   The statute does not include juvenile delinquency adjudications in its definition of
   “conviction” or “felony.” Ark.Code Ann. 5-73-103(b) and (e). Generally, Arkansas
   law does not consider a juvenile delinquency adjudication to be a criminal

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   conviction. See Vanesch v. State, 

 (2001) (“A juvenile
   delinquency adjudication is not a conviction of a felony, and it is not a finding of
   guilt of a felony.”); see Ark.Code Ann. 5-73-130(a) (“If a person under eighteen (18)
   years of age is unlawfully in possession of a firearm, the firearm shall be seized and,
   after an adjudication of delinquency or a conviction, is subject to forfeiture.”
   (Emphasis added.)).
3. Colorado law makes “possession of a weapon by a previous offender” a crime.
   Colo.Rev.Stat. 18-12-108. The category of “previous offenders” subject to
   punishment includes an individual who “knowingly possesses, uses, or carries
   upon his or her person a firearm . . . subsequent to the person’s adjudication for an
   act which, if committed by an adult, would constitute a felony crime,” as that term
   is defined in either of two statutory provisions. Colo.Rev.Stat. 18-12-108(3)(a). The
   lists defining what makes a “felony crime” are very long, but neither includes
   controlled-substances or drug offenses, apart from “[a]ggravated robbery of
   controlled substances.” Colo.Rev.Stat. 24-4.1-302(1)(v); see generally
   Colo.Rev.Stat. 18-12-108(7) and 24-4.1-302(1).
4. The District of Columbia prohibits individuals from owning, keeping, or
   possessing a firearm if they have “been convicted in any court of a crime punishable
   by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.” D.C. Code 22-4503(a)(1). An
   “order of adjudication” stemming from a delinquency proceeding “is not a
   conviction of crime and does not impose any civil disability ordinarily resulting
   from a conviction,” apart from the revocation of a driver’s license, where
   applicable. D.C. Code 16-2318.
5. Georgia law states that “[a]ny person who . . . has been convicted of a felony . . .
   and who receives, possesses, or transports a firearm commits a felony.” Ga.Code
   Ann. 16-11-131(b). However, “[a]n order of disposition or adjudication” following
   a delinquency hearing “shall not be a conviction of a crime and shall not impose
   any civil disability ordinarily resulting from a conviction.” Ga.Code Ann. 15-11-606.
6. Idaho law makes it a felony for any “person who previously has been convicted of
   a felony” to “purchase[], own[], possess[], or ha[ve] under his custody or control
   any firearm.” Idaho Code 18-3316. But it appears that an adjudication for a
   delinquent act is generally not considered a criminal conviction under Idaho law.
   See, e.g., Idaho Code 18-8410 (distinguishing between the two by providing
   circumstances when “the court shall order that [a] delinquent act be deemed an
   adult criminal conviction” for sex-offender registry purposes).
7. Indiana law prohibits the carrying of a handgun by a “person who is less than . . .
   twenty-three (23) years of age and has an adjudication as a delinquent child for”
   acts that would constitute a “serious violent felony,” Ind.Code 35-47-2-
   1.5(b)(10)(B), a category of offense that includes dealing in at least some controlled
   substances, Ind.Code 35-47-4-5(b)(27)-(b)(32). It also generally prohibits an
   individual, who was “adjudicated a delinquent child for committing an act while
   armed with a firearm that would be a serious violent felony if committed by an
   adult,” from “knowingly or intentionally possess[ing] a firearm” until they are
   either 26 or 28, depending on the level of the prior offense. Ind.Code 35-47-4-9.
   No Indiana statute appears to prohibit an individual adjudicated delinquent for an
   unarmed drug offense from carrying a rifle or from simply possessing (but not
   carrying) a handgun. See Ind.Code 35-47-4-5(a) and (c) (criminalizing possession

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   of a firearm generally only for those who were previously convicted of, not
   adjudicated delinquent for, a “serious violent felony”); Ind.Code 35-47-2-1(c)
   (excluding numerous fact patterns, including carrying on one’s own property, from
   Indiana’s prohibition on the carrying of handguns).
8. Michigan law provides that “a person convicted of a felony shall not possess, use,
   transport, sell, purchase, carry, ship, receive, or distribute a firearm” for either
   three or five years after that person has (a) “paid all fines imposed,” (b) “served all
   terms of imprisonment imposed,” and (c) “successfully completed all conditions of
   probation or parole imposed.” Mich.Comp.Laws 750.224f(1). A juvenile
   adjudication only becomes a “criminal proceeding[]” that can result in a “judgment
   of conviction” if it is “designate[d] . . . as a case in which the juvenile is to be tried
   in the same manner as an adult.” Mich.Comp.Laws 712A.2d(1) and (7).
9. Minnesota law indefinitely prohibits persons “adjudicated delinquent . . . for a
   crime of violence” from possessing a firearm. Minn.Stat. 260B.245(1)(b).
   Individuals who have been adjudicated delinquent for drug and other nonviolent
   felonies are not disarmed.
10. Mississippi prohibits persons “convicted of a felony” from possessing firearms.
    Miss.Code 97-37-5(1). Nothing in the law prohibits possession by adults with prior
    juvenile delinquency adjudications.
11. Missouri law makes it illegal for an individual to “knowingly ha[ve] any firearm
    in his or her possession,” if he or she “has been convicted of a felony under”
    Missouri law or of a comparable crime under the law of another state. Mo.Rev.Stat.
    571.070. Although this would include nonviolent felonies, no mention is made of
    individuals adjudicated delinquent.
12. Montana law only prohibits possession of a firearm for a person previously
    convicted of a felony for which they received an additional sentence based on a
    dangerous-weapon specification, “a felony for which the person is currently
    required to register for the sexual or violent offender registry,” or a comparable
    crime under the laws of another state. Mont.Code Ann. 45-8-313. No mention is
    made of juvenile delinquency adjudications—even for those crimes specified
    above.
13. Nevada generally prohibits individuals from possessing firearms if they have
    “been convicted of a felony.” Nev.Rev.Stat.Ann. 202.360(1)(b). However, the
    statute does not include individuals adjudicated delinquent for such conduct.
    When Nevada wishes to include delinquency adjudications under the umbrella of
    “convictions,” it does so expressly. See, e.g., Nev.Rev.Stat.Ann. 202.885(3)(b)(3).
14. New Hampshire prohibits an individual convicted of a controlled-substances
    felony to “[o]wn[] or ha[ve] in his possession or under his control, a pistol,
    revolver, or other firearm.” N.H.Rev.Stat.Ann. 159:3(I)(a) and (b)(2). There is no
    mention of juvenile delinquency or a juvenile delinquency adjudication in the
    disarming statutes. Compare N.H.Rev.Stat.Ann. 651-B:1(XI)(a) (treating a
    “conviction” and an “adjudication as a juvenile delinquent” as separate in sex-
    offender registration context).
15. New Jersey law prohibits “any person who has been convicted of an offense, or
    an attempt or conspiracy to commit an offense, for the unlawful use, possession or

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   sale of a controlled dangerous substance” from possessing a firearm. N.J.Stat.Ann.
   2C:39-7(a). But New Jersey law does not view juvenile delinquency adjudications
   as “convictions.” See In re Registrant R.H., 

, 13 (2024) (“[I]n our system,
   adults and some juveniles are ‘convicted,’ while other juveniles are ‘adjudicated
   delinquent.’ The two concepts are distinct in law and practice.”). While it does not
   criminalize possession, New Jersey law does prohibit the sale of firearms to
   individuals with juvenile delinquency adjudications for weapons-based offenses.
   See N.J.Stat.Ann. 2C:58-3(c)(7).
16. New Mexico prohibits an individual “convicted of a felony offense” from
    possessing a firearm if “less than ten years have passed since the person completed
    serving a sentence or period of probation for the felony conviction.” N.M.Stat.Ann.
    30-7-16(A)(1) and (E)(3). The disarming statute makes no mention of delinquency
    adjudications, and, in New Mexico, such adjudications “shall not be deemed a
    conviction of crime nor shall it impose any civil disabilities ordinarily resulting
    from conviction of a crime.” N.M.Stat.Ann. 32A-2-18(A).
17. New York prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm if they have “been
    previously convicted of a felony or a class A misdemeanor. . . within . . . five years”
    and the possession “did not take place in the person’s home or place of business.”
    N.Y.Penal Law 265.02(5)(ii) (Consol. 2024). New York does not treat delinquency
    as a criminal conviction. See People v. Gray, 

 (1995) (“It is,
    however, impermissible to use a youthful offender or juvenile delinquency
    adjudication as an impeachment weapon, because these adjudications are not
    convictions of a crime . . . .” (Cleaned up.)).
18. North Carolina law makes it “unlawful for any person who has been convicted
    of a felony to purchase, own, possess, or have in his custody, care, or control any
    firearm.” N.C.Gen.Stat. 14-415.1(a). However, North Carolina expressly
    distinguishes between criminal convictions and delinquency adjudications: “An
    adjudication that a juvenile is delinquent or commitment of a juvenile to the
    Division for placement in a youth development center shall neither be considered
    conviction of any criminal offense nor cause the juvenile to forfeit any citizenship
    rights.” N.C.Gen.Stat. 7B-2412.
19. Pennsylvania law prohibits persons adjudicated delinquent for certain felonious
    conduct from possessing firearms. 18 Pa.Cons.Stat.Ann. 6105(b), (c)(7), and
    (c)(8). While the lists of qualifying offenses are quite long, they do not include
    controlled-substances offenses. Further, the disability for less-dangerous offenses
    lapses either 15 years after the juvenile adjudication, or upon the disabled party
    turning 30, “whichever is earlier.” 18 Pa.Cons.Stat.Ann. 6105(c)(8).
20. Rhode Island disarms individuals who have “been convicted . . . of a crime of
    violence,” or of certain domestic-violence and harassment-related crimes.
    R.I.Gen.Laws 11-47-5(a)(1), (3), and (4). The disarming statute does not expressly
    include juvenile delinquency adjudications, and Rhode Island law provides that a
    juvenile adjudication shall not “impose any of the civil disabilities ordinarily
    resulting from a conviction, nor shall any child be deemed a criminal by reason of
    that adjudication, nor shall that adjudication be deemed a conviction.”
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21. South Carolina makes it “unlawful for a person who has been convicted of a
    crime punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of more than one year to
    possess a firearm or ammunition.” S.C.Code Ann. 16-23-500(A) (2024). But “[n]o
    adjudication by the court of the status of a child,” including a delinquency
    adjudication, “is a conviction, nor does the adjudication operate to impose civil
    disabilities ordinarily resulting from conviction.” S.C.Code Ann. 63-19-1410(C).
22. South Dakota disarms those “convicted . . . of a crime of violence” or certain other
    felonies—including several controlled-substances offenses—for a period of 15 years
    following their “discharge[] from prison, jail, probation, or parole.” S.D.Codified
    Laws 22-14-15. However, if the underlying crime was mere possession of a
    controlled substance, the period of disarmament is only five years. S.D.Codified
    Laws 22-14-15.1. But South Dakota does not consider a juvenile adjudication to be
    a conviction. See In re M.D.D., 

, ¶ 5 (“In juvenile proceedings there
    are no criminal activities, crimes, pleas of guilty, verdicts of guilty, or defendants.
    Instead, an alleged ‘delinquent child’ may be subject to an ‘adjudication and
    disposition’ and can only admit or deny a juvenile petition.”).
23. Tennessee law requires a court to enter an order prohibiting a “juvenile from
    purchasing or possessing a firearm until the juvenile reaches twenty-five (25) years
    of age,” but only if the juvenile is adjudicated delinquent of certain offenses,
    including aggravated assault, homicide, robbery, burglary, aggravated cruelty to
    animals, threat of mass violence, or any other criminal offense involving the use or
    display of a firearm. Tenn.Code Ann. 37-1-190(a). Unarmed drug felonies are not
    included.
24. Texas’s statutes provide that a “person who has been convicted of a felony
    commits an offense if he possesses a firearm” in any place for the first five years
    following his sentence, or outside his home after that five-year period. Tex.Penal
    Code 46.04(a). However, an adjudication of delinquency “is not a conviction of
    crime” in Texas, except as used in certain, specified offense- and sentence-
    enhancement provisions. Tex.Fam.Code 51.13(a), (d), and (e). And such “an order
    of adjudication or disposition does not impose any civil disability ordinarily
    resulting from a conviction,” other than under Texas’s sexually-violent-predator
    statutes. Tex.Fam.Code 51.13(a), referencing Tex.Health & Safety Code, Ch. 841.
    Thus, when Texas wishes to strip rights—including firearm rights—based on a
    delinquency adjudication, it does so expressly, as when it prohibits the issuance of
    a “license to carry a handgun,” not only to any person “convicted of a felony,” but
    also to any person who has, “in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been
    adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the
    grade of felony.” Tex.Govt.Code 411.172(a)(3) and (a)(13). There is no comparable
    language in Tex.Penal Code, Ch. 46, the chapter containing Texas’s weapons
    offenses, including its felon-in-possession statutes.
25. Vermont provides that a “person shall not possess a firearm if the person has
    been convicted of a violent crime.” Vt.Stat.Ann., Title 13, Section 4017(a). “Violent
    crime” does include selling, trafficking, or possessing with intent to distribute
    certain controlled substances. Vt.Stat.Ann., Title 13, Section 4017(d)(3)(C) and
    (d)(3)(D). But a delinquency adjudication is not “deemed a conviction of crime” in
    Vermont, and does not “impose any civil disabilities sanctions ordinarily resulting
    from a conviction.” Vt.Stat.Ann., Title 33, Section 5202(a)(1)(A) and (a)(1)(B).

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   However, the juvenile court may, as a condition of juvenile probation, prohibit an
   individual from possessing a firearm “unless granted written permission by the
   court or juvenile probation officer.” Vt.Stat.Ann., Title 33, Section 5262(b)(4).
26. West Virginia law makes it a misdemeanor for a person to “possess a firearm,”
    if that person “[h]as been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by
    imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.” W.Va.Code 61-7-7(a)(1). It also
    makes it a felony for a person “[w]ho has been convicted. . . of a felony controlled
    substance offense involving” certain substances (but not marijuana) to “possess[]
    a firearm.” W.Va.Code 61-7-7(b)(2). But no “adjudication upon the status of any
    child by a juvenile court,” including an adjudication of delinquency, may “operate
    to impose any of the civil disabilities ordinarily imposed by conviction, nor may
    any child be deemed a criminal by reason of the adjudication, nor may the
    adjudication be deemed a conviction.” W.Va.Code 49-4-103.
27. Wyoming makes it a misdemeanor for individuals “who ha[ve] previously
    pleaded guilty to or been convicted of committing or attempting to commit a
    felony” to “use[] or knowingly possess[] any firearm,” and a felony for those who
    have “previously pleaded guilty to or been convicted of committing or attempting
    to commit a violent felony” from doing the same. (Emphasis added.) Wyo.Stat. 6-
    8-102(a) and (c). But “[n]o order or decree pursuant to” Wyoming’s Juvenile
    Justice Act, including a delinquency adjudication, “shall be deemed a conviction of
    a crime or impose any civil disabilities.” Wyo.Stat. 14-6-238; see Wyo.Stat. 14-6-
    201(a)(xxix) and (b) (defining the Juvenile Justice Act and “this act” to mean
    Wyo.Stat. 14-6-201 through 14-6-252); see also Wyo.Stat. 14-6-211 and 14-6-229
    (discussing delinquency proceedings).




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