Sonia Talarico v. Leonard Talarico
CourtDistrict Court of Appeal of Florida
Date FiledApril 22, 2020
Docket3D20-0560
StatusPublished
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Full Opinion
Third District Court of Appeal
State of Florida
Opinion filed April 22, 2020.
Not final until disposition of timely filed motion for rehearing.
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No. 3D20-0560
Lower Tribunal No. 09-7093
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Sonia Talarico,
Appellant,
vs.
Leonard Talarico,
Appellee.
An appeal from nonfinal orders from the Circuit Court for Miami-Dade
County, Stacy D. Glick, Judge.
Sandy T. Fox, P.A., and Sandy T. Fox, and Alisha B. Savani, for appellant.
Bette Ellen Quiat, for appellee.
Before SALTER, MILLER, and LOBREE, JJ.
MILLER, J.
Appellant, Sonia Talarico, the mother, appeals a series of nonfinal orders
substantially curtailing her established timesharing with her twin minor daughters,
at the behest of appellee, Leonard Talarico, the father. We have jurisdiction. 1 See
Fla. R. App. P. 9.130(a)(3)(C)(iii)(b). Because the lower tribunal based its findings
upon non-record evidence and the evidentiary record below is devoid of a
“substantial, material, and unanticipated change in circumstances” warranting a
modification of the stipulated custody arrangement under the parenting plan, we
reverse and remand for further proceedings. § 61.13(2)(c), Fla. Stat. (2019).
The mother and father wed in 1997 and their union produced twin daughters,
now aged sixteen. By early 2009, marital discord developed, hence the mother filed
for dissolution. The lower court terminated the marriage and ratified a negotiated
parenting plan. Years later, the parties refashioned the existing arrangement,
effectively endowing each parent with equal timesharing and shared parental
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The mother sought to invoke our original jurisdiction by filing a petition for
certiorari. As the challenged orders determine “the rights or obligations of a party
regarding child custody or time sharing,” we treat the instant petition as a notice of
appeal. Fla. R. App. P. 9.130(a)(3)(C)(iii)(b); see Fla. R. App. P. 9.040(c) (“If a
party seeks an improper remedy, the cause shall be treated as if the proper remedy
had been sought; provided that it shall not be the responsibility of the court to seek
the proper remedy.”); Hickey v. Burlinson, 33 So. 3d 827, 828 (Fla. 5th DCA 2010);
Lawrence v. Peyton, 9 So. 3d 670, 670 (Fla. 3d DCA 2009) (“[W]e are comfortable
that non-final orders determining visitation in family law cases are reviewable under
Florida Rule of Appellate Procedure 9.130(a)(3)(C)(iii).”) (citations omitted).
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responsibility. The court validated the modified plan, and for several years, the
action remained dormant.
In January of this year, the mother, a practicing physician, unilaterally
cancelled the planned dental surgery of one of the children, citing a lack of
compliance with essential preoperative instructions. The father then filed an urgent
motion to suspend the mother’s timesharing. The motion contained scandalous
allegations of parental alienation and sought to suspend all child support payments.
The lower tribunal duly convened an expedited hearing. Both parties were
represented, and their attorneys made preliminary evidentiary proffers. The court
then, at the request of the father, recessed the proceedings to conduct a closed, in-
chambers interview of the children. No further evidence was received.
At the conclusion of the hearing, the court announced its intent to limit the
mother’s physical contact with the children to a shared meal at a restaurant twice per
week and relieve the father of any obligation to furnish further child support
payments. 2 The mother inquired as to the basis for the ruling. The court declined
to provide the parties with a synopsis of the in-chambers testimony, but generally
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Following the entry of the challenged orders, Miami-Dade County imposed dine-
in restrictions in response to the current COVID-19 pandemic, resulting in a de facto
denial of any visitation. See Miami-Dade County Exec. Order No. 03-20 (Mar. 17,
2020).
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articulated a finding that the mother exhibited inconsistent moods. The challenged
orders were rendered and the instant appeal ensued.
Child custody determinations are “some of the most difficult and sensitive
problems [that] face the judiciary.” Waites v. Waites, 567 S.W.2d 326, 330 (Mo.
1978). Thus, “the trial court is vested with broad discretion.” Peterseil v. Peterseil,
307 So. 2d 498, 499 (Fla. 3d DCA 1975) (citation omitted). However, “a trial court
has far less discretion in modifying a custody order than in making the original
determination.” Bartolotta v. Bartolotta, 687 So. 2d 1385, 1386 (Fla. 4th DCA 1997)
(citation omitted); see Bon v. Rivera, 10 So. 3d 193, 195 (Fla. 4th DCA 2009).
In order “[t]o justify modification, the [petitioning] parent carries an
‘extraordinary burden’ to prove the occurrence of a substantial and material change
in circumstances since the original custody order’s entry.” Bartolotta, 687 So. 2d at
1386 (citation omitted). The demonstrated change in circumstances must have
“adversely affect[ed] the welfare of the children.” Young v. Hector, 740 So. 2d
1153, 1173 (Fla. 3d DCA 1998) (en banc) (Schwartz, C.J., dissenting) (citations
omitted).
Section 61.13(2)(c), Florida Statutes, governs shared parental responsibility,
and mandates consideration of numerous factors, among them “[t]he reasonable
preference of the child, if the court deems the child to be of sufficient intelligence,
understanding, and experience to express a preference.” §61.13(3)(i), Fla. Stat.
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(2019). Nonetheless, it is axiomatic that “[n]o person who is a party to a divorce
proceeding—litigant, counsel, or chancellor—relishes the spectacle of a child
testifying in open court as to his or her preference for one parent over another.”
Haase v. Haase, 460 S.E.2d 585, 589 (Va. Ct. App. 1995) (citing Buck v. Buck, 31
N.W.2d 829, 831 (Mich. 1948); Price v. Price, 192 S.W. 893, 894 (Ark. 1917)). “[A]
child’s choice between parents is often emotionally wrenching, and announcing that
choice in open court could add significantly to the child’s emotional toll.” N.D.
McN. v. R.J.H., 979 A.2d 1195, 1200 (D.C. 2009). Hence, “the preferred method
of receiving such evidence in the majority of jurisdictions is to obtain the child’s
views in an in camera interview.” Haase, 460 S.E.2d at 589 (citing Stickler v.
Stickler, 206 N.E.2d 720, 723 (Ill. App. Ct. 1965). See generally Cathy J. Jones,
Judicial Questioning of Children in Custody and Visitation Proceedings 18 Fam.
L.Q. 43 (1984)).
In conducting these closed proceedings, tribunals are charged with striking a
proper balance between two competing interests: the “due process rights of the
parents to know and respond to evidence . . . and the privacy and best interests of the
children.” Helen S.K. v. Samuel M.K., 288 P. 3d 463, 473 (Alaska 2012). Typically,
this is achieved by simultaneously recording or later disclosing an appraisal of the
proceedings. See Monteiro v. Monteiro, 55 So. 3d 686, 689 (Fla. 3d DCA 2011)
(“[T]he trial court has inherent authority and discretion to protect a child witness . . .
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[Where a parent is] the subject of the minor children’s testimony . . . the only way
to obtain the truth from the minor children is to conduct the interview outside [his or
her] presence.”) (citation omitted); Fla. R. Juv. P. 8.625(c) (“The child may be
examined by the court outside the presence of other parties under circumstances as
provided by law. The court shall assure that the proceedings are recorded unless
otherwise stipulated by the parties.”); Fla. Fam. L. R. 12.407(a) (“Unless otherwise
provided by law or another rule of procedure, children who are witnesses, potential
witnesses, or related to a family law case, are prohibited from being deposed or
brought to a deposition, from being subpoenaed to appear at any family law
proceeding, or from attending any family law proceedings without prior order of the
court based on good cause shown.”).
In the instant case, “[t]he record suggests that the judge relied primarily upon
[the] in camera interview with the child[ren]” in modifying custody.3 Nowak v.
Nowak, 546 So. 2d 123, 124 (Fla. 1st DCA 1989). Under these circumstances, “[t]he
divulging of information ascertained from the in camera interview . . . is required by
due process principles.” Uherek v. Sathe, 917 A.2d 306, 308 (N.J. Super. Ct. App.
Div. 2007) (citation omitted); see Bowman Transp., Inc. v. Ark.-Best Freight Sys.,
Inc., 419 U.S. 281, 288 n.4, 95 S. Ct. 438, 443 n.4, 42 L. Ed. 2d 447 (1974) (“A
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The “fact that the parents cannot communicate and get along does not constitute a
material change in circumstances to warrant modification of custody.” Ring v. Ring,
834 So. 2d 216, 217 (Fla. 2d DCA 2002) (citation omitted).
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party is entitled, of course, to know the issues on which decision will turn and to be
apprised of the factual material on which the [decision-maker] relies for decision so
that he [or she] may rebut it. Indeed, the Due Process Clause forbids [a decision-
maker] to use evidence in a way that forecloses an opportunity to offer a contrary
presentation.”) (citations omitted); Hickey v. Burlinson, 33 So. 3d 827, 829 (Fla. 5th
DCA 2010) (“Reaching the merits, [appellant] was entitled to have the children’s
testimony transcribed. This is because due process requires the party seeking to
modify visitation demonstrate that there has been a material change in circumstances
and that modification is required to protect the child’s best interest.”) (citation
omitted); Nowak, 546 So. 2d at 124 (“Due process considerations require the party
seeking modification of visitation demonstrate by record evidence that there has
been a material change in circumstances and modification is required to protect the
child’s best interests.”) (citations omitted). However, here, the interview went
unrecorded 4 and the court declined to provide an appraisal or summary of the
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“[W]here appropriate, the trial judge may interview the child in camera in order to
determine with which parent the child would prefer to live, but a record of the
interview should be made.” In re T.M., 835 S.E.2d 132, 146 (W. Va. 2019) (citation
omitted). Such documentation is vital to enable “meaningful appellate review of the
evidence relied on by the trial court in determining the child’s best interests.” People
in Interest of H.K.W., 417 P.3d 875, 880 (Colo. App. 2017) (citations omitted); see
Ex Parte Wilson, 450 So. 2d 104, 106-07 (Ala. 1984) (“[T]he absence of a record
would preclude ‘meaningful review with respect to what extent, if any, the trial court
relied upon the child’s testimony in determining . . . the best interests of the child.’”)
(second alteration in original) (citation omitted); N.D. McN., 979 A.2d at 1201
(“And meaningful appellate review can only be had if there is a record that allows
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children’s testimony. 5 See N.D. McN., 979 A.2d at 1204 (“We also conclude that
appellant was not unduly prejudiced by the manner in which the trial judge used the
in camera interview. The content of the children’s interview, which was largely
undisputed, was disclosed to the parties in open court.”); Strain v. Strain, 523 P.2d
36, 38 (Idaho 1974) (“It is within the trial court’s discreti[o]n to personally examine
children in custody disputes out of the presence of their parents, but if the interview
is necessary to support the trial court's decision, it must be recorded.”).
Consequently, because no other evidence was admitted, “[m]odifying custody under
these circumstances [was] an abuse of discretion, especially considering that the
modification order drastically altered and severely limited the [m]other’s contact
the parties to challenge, and the appellate court to evaluate, the evidence and
reasoning that underlies an adverse decision.”); Hutchinson v. Cobb, 90 A. 3d 438,
442 (Me. 2014) (“[T]he lack of a record of the in-chambers testimony deprives
[appellant] of any ability to respond to the court’s findings or to seek meaningful
appellate review.”); In re. H.R.C,, 781 N.W.2d 105, 114 (Mich. Ct. App. 2009)
(“Unrecorded, off the record, in chambers interviews of children . . . provide no
opportunity for . . . meaningful appellate review.”) (citations omitted); Robinson v.
Lanford, 841 So. 2d 1119, 1124 (Miss. 2003) (“The absence of a record of the
conversation ‘makes impossible our ability to thoroughly and properly review the
record of the trial between the parties.’”) (citation omitted); Williams v. Cole, 590
S.W.2d 908, 911 (Mo. 1979) (“[T]he failure to preserve the child’s testimony
precludes meaningful review with respect to what extent, if any, the trial court relied
upon the child’s testimony in determining whether a change of circumstances has
occurred and if modification of a prior custody decree is necessary in order to serve
the best interests of the child.”).
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“Due process and fundamental fairness require that a parent have access to the
content of the interview.” People in Interest of H.K.W., 417 P.3d at 881 (citation
omitted).
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with the children.” Bartolotta, 687 So. 2d at 1387 (citation omitted); see also Kilgore
v. Kilgore, 729 So. 2d 402, 407 (Fla. 1st DCA 1998) (“[W]e conclude the order is
deficient, because the trial court failed to make an express finding of a substantial
change of circumstances.”); Finney v. Giddens, 707 So. 2d 856, 858 (Fla. 2d DCA
1998) (“The trial court did not make an affirmative finding of a substantial and
material change of circumstances and therefore erred in changing custody based on
evidence presented.”).
Accordingly, we reverse the orders under review and remand for further
proceedings consistent with this opinion.
Reversed and remanded.
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